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Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins, NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

This proofs the Crimean people were smart to leave a country with which the West was getting involved.




posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

The fascists elements in Ukraine want Poroshenko to break the cease fire and attack. For some reason he is not doing that and turning around and offering useless 3 year special status to Donbass.

There are however certain important towns the Junta is trying to take on local basis. They hope that once these towns like Yasinovataya are taken then all out attack will become more successful.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: victor7

- ISIL going to take about 3 years (and Syria of course)

- Re-arming and training Ukraine army about 3 years

- 3 year special status Donbass

You do the math..I have to put my money about when WIII is going to start if it happens...my bet would be 2017/2018.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I also have a feeling that Kremlin estimates that it is going to take 3 years to build the pipeline to China.

Then gas exports will be guaranteed pretty much. At that time, Russia can formally invade Ukraine and do some carving of the map.

However, in 3 years Ukraine can also join NATO. While a country not totally in control of itself is mostly not allowed to be a member of the alliance, but some adjustments can be made.

Remember, this mess has its origins in Brussels not Kiev.

Keeping conflict hot for 3 years would take lots of efforts and loss of lives. Not ethical for people.

Putin needs to bring NovoRossiya in shape, form and recognition by the end of this year.



ps: organizations like ISIL and AQ can be disrupted but not destroyed. US has been in Afghanistan for 13 years now. Taliban is still there and will gain strength once US leaves.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Things will be happening at the same time, Ukraine, Georgia, etc...and Iran getting attacked..and probably other stuff in Asia will light up at the same time when it happens...when it goes, it will be just like with WWI and WWII, with wars breaking out all over the place. Probably just like with the last two World Wars, Asia, Europe, ME and Africa where it will happen.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 02:19 AM
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So Separatists refuse Poroshenko his offer, you can only wonder how long it will take before fighting will resume in full scale :

Ukraine crisis: Rebels defiant over new self-rule law



A senior Ukrainian rebel leader has told the BBC that a new law granting self-rule to parts of the east will not sway the demand for independence.

Andrei Purgin said there were no plans to develop any political relationship, federal or otherwise, with Ukraine.

But he said there were "positives" in the move by MPs to grant self-rule and an amnesty to pro-Russian rebels.

He said it could be used as the basis for dialogue but rebels would not give up on a desire for "the Russian world".

www.bbc.com...



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 02:36 AM
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Well what happened to Mariupol. Has NATO army deployed to Mariupol.

Latest indicators are that USA has started losing interest in Ukraine. IMF is making bad noises about Ukraine's behavior - which is a clear sign of Uncle not happy.

Mariupol is not at all strategic or central to DNR's strategy. DNR has changed its strategy. Earlier the strategy was to take over important assets. Now the strategy is attrition. The new strategy is to force Ukraine out of East due to sheer losses.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 02:45 AM
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The Chinese can move mountains if they want to.

The pipelines will be built at a fast pace. It is clear that Russian gas has to go east.

The Eastern Europe will be the worst off once Russian gas is rerouted.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 04:35 AM
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a reply to: GargIndia

You need to click your heels together 3 times while repeating there is no place like home in order to wake up.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: GargIndia

You need to click your heels together 3 times while repeating there is no place like home in order to wake up.


Ah dont worry Putin will just take off his shirt and get to work. Hed have it done in a couple of days and still have time to wrestle some bears alond the way.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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Russia is pulling of its gloves, tightening the gas supply more and more :

This Russian Trend Is Not Europe's Friend



The cold war is on, literally, because it will determine who will survive Europe's upcoming cold winter - a Europe with decreasing Russian gas supplies, or Russia now officially starved of Western sources of funding.

www.zerohedge.com...



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Russia is pulling of its gloves, tightening the gas supply more and more :

This Russian Trend Is Not Europe's Friend



The cold war is on, literally, because it will determine who will survive Europe's upcoming cold winter - a Europe with decreasing Russian gas supplies, or Russia now officially starved of Western sources of funding.

www.zerohedge.com...


Actually Russia is increasing gas supplies they need the money so im confused on the point of the article. If they decided to cut gas supplies only hurts Russia since it means Europe imports more from Africa. The dunkirk facility should be finished by next summer and that will start major imports of LNG from the US so im thinking this really isnt a crises.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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The confusion is you thinking Russia can`t do without the money.

It`s the economy of the EU who can`t do without the gas supply.

And if America can print, why can`t Russia do the same, and China has enough cash also in reserve to help out. Russia has vast amounts of resources of interest to China. China will be glad to lend to get their hands on those future energy resources.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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Facts on the ground.

1.Ceasefire is over, battles near Donetzk and elsewhere in LNR/DNR continues.
2. Big money meeting in Geneva (WES). Representatives from EU, USA, Ukraine, Russia.
Proposing peace plan where Ukraine remains sovereign state and principle of non alignment comparable to the status of Finland, Switzerland.

Russia participants - several billionaire oligarchs + Chubais (agent of Rockefeller in Post soviet Russia
www.tshirtfaction.com...,
EU - top of the top visible banking elite of Europe
USA - CEO's of several minor Dow Jones companies
Ukraine - local mid range business.

Who is interested in restoring status quo ? Russian oligarchs and European banking, USA is kinda sidelined.

link a-chubais.livejournal.com...
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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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Why should Ukraine agree to the territorial integrity portion when Russia has already violated a treaty that guaranteed Ukraine's borders?

Why should Ukraine be forced into a non alignment position when Russia violated the initial treaty protecting Ukraine's territorial integrity and then invaded them?

This is not a peace plan... Its a hostage situation.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: dragonridr

The confusion is you thinking Russia can`t do without the money.

It`s the economy of the EU who can`t do without the gas supply.

And if America can print, why can`t Russia do the same, and China has enough cash also in reserve to help out. Russia has vast amounts of resources of interest to China. China will be glad to lend to get their hands on those future energy resources.


Russia need not print, China has $2Trillion in reserves. Recent sanctions stopped the 90 day commercial loans for Russian businesses. No problem once Beijing provides them. Both China and India can supply Russia with food items that have been banned for importation from EU by Russia.

US is trying hard to replace Russia as the gas supplier to EU but it will take time and have higher costs and much more vulnerabilities. Several studies have concluded that US gas is most efficiently supplied to Japan rather than EU.
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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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Really two trillion in reserves you just randomly make stuff up dont you? Any way here in the real world Russia needs money or else its people starve. Russia cant stop selling to Europe or they are through what we are seeing is a slow divorce which will take a couple of year's. The EU may even benifit as Russian economy keeps sliding but i know China will. Putin has placed Russia between the rock and a hard place. His options are down to bad and worse.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: GargIndia

You need to click your heels together 3 times while repeating there is no place like home in order to wake up.


I can see fools like you beat about the bush when no argument is left.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: victor7

Really two trillion in reserves you just randomly make stuff up dont you? Any way here in the real world Russia needs money or else its people starve. Russia cant stop selling to Europe or they are through what we are seeing is a slow divorce which will take a couple of year's. The EU may even benifit as Russian economy keeps sliding but i know China will. Putin has placed Russia between the rock and a hard place. His options are down to bad and worse.



dragonridr: Either you live in a cave or you are on drugs. Your posts are completely removed from realities.

Nothing is happening to Russia and China. Or other countries as well. The fact is Anglo-American empire is taking actions in despair. What is 'sanctions'. This is action (showing off) in despair.

Russia is far too integrated with the world economy to be impacted by such meaningless things. This is not time of USSR.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...

The Foreign exchange reserves of the People's Republic of China are mainly composed of US dollar in the forms of US government bonds and institutional bonds, and excludes reserves held by Hong Kong and Macau. As of the end of 2012, the reserve holds $3.3 trillion,[1] making it the highest foreign exchange reserve in the world.

I was wrong on $2T figure it is actually $3.3T. Wow !!

Russia does not need $100B per month of financing I think. Not getting 90 day loans will not be a problem.

Now Russia needs to ask its consumers to stop buying EU cars and replace them with domestic or Asian brands.






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