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Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins, NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"

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posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword

You do realize information about Putins wealth came out long before Ukraine dont you? It became a political argument for him back in Russia long before this. Your basically arguing something thats been known for 8 yrs.

www.theguardian.com...




posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword




As I reported on the other thread a telegraph reporter asked why people believed that information source


You do understand that there are many sources that reported on his wealth...not just that one.



In one of these carbon copy links you posted it admitted that Putin turned down a bribe,if that doesn't show ones morality I don't know what does!


So turning down a bribe makes Putin have good morals, and yet his morality flew out the window when he decided to annex part of a sovereign country then lied bout it.

Now that shows his real morality.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Are you brain dead or something? Have you not seen the maps. 3 of the 5 roads coming into Mariupol are controlled by NAF. While city itself is in Junta's hand but once all 5 roads are cut off then Junta forces in the city are on their own.

Junta would try to isolate 3 main cities and then try its hands on full scale invasion.

Cease fire is now only on paper. Major fighting took place in both Lughansk and Donetsk airport today. More than 20 civilians died from Junta shelling. Does not matter how many were wounded.

Will repeat again.........Junta is better writing off Novorossiaya. There is no point playing war with a major power and that too in its neighborhood. Russian Air Force can bomb Junta tanks and artillery in Mariupol from international waters and then play surprised. Lots of Russian armor, artillery and rockets are already inside Donbass and for these to go active would take only one call from across the border.

All this war is because people in Ukraine wanted to join EU to go west and work. The government could have given federalization status to its regions in April or so and then joined the EU as a non aligned nation. Federalization would have been the insurance against Kiev joining the NATO and that would have kept Russia at peace.

Bottomline is people would have been happy and not fighting the civil war on senseless arrogance of few in power.



ps: Quit this cheap jab about Putin having $70B. Produce some documents etc. Just because someone on CNN said so does not mean anything.
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posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: victor7

well so you admit the Russians are trying to take over Ukraine interesting. Now As far as direct confrontation you way over estimate Russia's capabilities in case you didnt know militarily speaking they arent that much more advanced than Ukraine contrary to what you believe. Both countries rely on Soviet military and the training which frankly was sub par. Russias attempt to modernize is stii in the early stages. Unable to modernize Russia’s economy or satisfy its middle class, Putin has made a risky bet that nationalist adventurism will sustain his regime. Id say this is agamble that may cost him his life but we shall see.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I am sure you know how to Russians feel about fascism. If Russians were angry at Putin it would have shown by now.

Russians are not angry at Putin, they hope he stays around for next 20 years !!




posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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www.liveleak.com...

Kiev's War Crime: Avakov's FB Angry Outburst and the Case of Suddenly Missing 200 Prisoners of War in the Hands of the Kiev Junta

“The prisoners exchange has stalled due to the fact that during a (new) registration of the cellars
of the Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) and cages of all sorts of Naz-battalions, a large number of people from the official lists submitted [by the Kiev regime] to the authorities of Novorossiya have not been found. SBU, covering their eyes, reported to the negotiators that ‘these people are no longer in their hands.’ In reality, this means that they are after being captured, these people died from the beatings or were executed. Naz-battalions [which are commanded by Arsen Avakov, Kiev’s minister of interior] have especially distinguished themselves in the killings of prisoners. These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]. Now in Kiev they
are trying to find a quick way of how to wriggle out of this situation. One ‘option,’ which they are considering, is to declare that the disappeared POWs ‘escaped from captivity.’ The other option under review is to announce that these vanished POWs ‘repented and refused to return.’ It is reported that we are talking here of at least two hundred people.”


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posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: victor7

www.liveleak.com...

Kiev's War Crime: Avakov's FB Angry Outburst and the Case of Suddenly Missing 200 Prisoners of War in the Hands of the Kiev Junta

“The prisoners exchange has stalled due to the fact that during a (new) registration of the cellars
of the Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) and cages of all sorts of Naz-battalions, a large number of people from the official lists submitted [by the Kiev regime] to the authorities of Novorossiya have not been found. SBU, covering their eyes, reported to the negotiators that ‘these people are no longer in their hands.’ In reality, this means that they are after being captured, these people died from the beatings or were executed. Naz-battalions [which are commanded by Arsen Avakov, Kiev’s minister of interior] have especially distinguished themselves in the killings of prisoners. These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]. Now in Kiev they
are trying to find a quick way of how to wriggle out of this situation. One ‘option,’ which they are considering, is to declare that the disappeared POWs ‘escaped from captivity.’ The other option under review is to announce that these vanished POWs ‘repented and refused to return.’ It is reported that we are talking here of at least two hundred people.”



Ukraine has never claimed to have more than 300 unless your source can show otherwise. But i hate to tell you they cant also realize there may be more Russians missing but that doesnt mean Ukraine has them very likely they were Buried seems like alot of them were and are still unidentified by Ukrainian authorities.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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Wonder why Russia expects Russians to be returned to the sepratists as i think about it shouldnt they be released to the Russian embassy ?
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posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]


Wow, they are beginning to sound just like the US. If they are not dead they've most likely been spirited away by the SBU to some mini Guantanamo. Good luck in ever seeing them again. Or I suppose we could start looking for the crematoriums.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: victor7


These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]


Wow, they are beginning to sound just like the US. If they are not dead they've most likely been spirited away by the SBU to some mini Guantanamo. Good luck in ever seeing them again. Or I suppose we could start looking for the crematoriums.


No the separatists just buried their dead where ever they were sadly many Russian parents wont know the outcome of their loved ones since DNR keeps no record.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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Atleast in the US Guantanamo the prisoners are returned after torture or water boarding etc. Here prisoners are being killed and dug up somewhere unknown.

Russians have been known to extract 10x the revenge for such killings. Such acts of killing POWs brings the worst of reactions from any group.

The Nazi battalions better not fall alive in the hands of the Mongoloid Russians. These rabid Nazi bitches will be fed alive to the pigs.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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No the separatists just buried their dead where ever they were sadly many Russian parents wont know the outcome of their loved ones since DNR keeps no record.


It's one thing to have troops MIA or KIA with no records when you're in a war. It's another thing entirely to disappear your POW's.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: dragonridr



No the separatists just buried their dead where ever they were sadly many Russian parents wont know the outcome of their loved ones since DNR keeps no record.


It's one thing to have troops MIA or KIA with no records when you're in a war. It's another thing entirely to disappear your POW's.


Dont think russian troops count they arent their in the first place at least according to putin.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:04 AM
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Will repeat again.........Junta is better writing off Novorossiaya. There is no point playing war with a major power and that too in its neighborhood. Russian Air Force can bomb Junta tanks and artillery in Mariupol from international waters and then play surprised.


You really think a Russian plane can just bomb inside Ukraine then leave and not be noticed...there are eyes nin the sky that will see this, which is the reason they haven't sent aircraft into Ukraine.

So the question is are you brain dead. And you still have this desire for an all out war which btw is very disturbing.



ps: Quit this cheap jab about Putin having $70B. Produce some documents etc. Just because someone on CNN said so does not mean anything.


And show me where I used CNN as a source, because in case you didn't pay attention there are many other sources that discuss his wealth. But I don't expect you to actually read them, as they aren't from a Russian source.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 06:19 PM
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Just the way Russia has sneaked in tanks and artillery to the rebels, in a similar manner, old Migs and Su-25s can also be sent in and rebel pilots or contract fliers can be hired to do the bombing runs. RuAF need not be involved. It is only a matter of positive interest from Kremlin which is slow in coming.

www.interpretermag.com...

The link above says 3500 Russian soldiers were killed in Ukraine. Even if this number is retired 40 something GRU veterans and walk-in volunteers, this number is too high to tolerate. When Slaviyansk was surrendered, rebel leadership openly accepted that 1000 of its soldiers have been killed. After that intensity of warfare increased by many folds so 3500 figure might be right.

If Kremlin had thrown some reasonable efforts and gotten full body armor to rebels at the factory costs of $5-10M, the number of causalities would have be much less.

But the problem with Russian and former Soviet culture is there is little value for the life of a common foot soldier. The system expects too much from one individual in physical terms. The Tzarist culture throws the common foot soldiers into battle fields with little tools to perform required functions. Even Ukrops troops are seen hauling sacks of potatoes and onions on their APCs and tanks to meet their edible needs.

Anyways, bottomline is Putin cannot and should not leave Eastern Ukraine as a frozen conflict. People will suffer, economy will be in depression in the region. This conflict needs to be done with soon. NovoRossiya needs to take shape and be recognized as soon. The bloody mess and excesses on soldiers and common people needs to end.




posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Putin needs to back away from Ukraine its going to cost him more than he thinks. But fascists dont care of consequences so he will drag Russia down with him. Buy once the Russians realize hes not much diffrent from Hitler his days will be numbered.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: victor7

Since there was nothing to support Russian claims about Crimea East and South Ukraine, one can argue that had Russia not invaded it would not be as bad as it is now.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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Looks like Kiev is having some difficulty now. Almost time for Porohsneko to run.

in the aftermath of the popular anger aimed at Ukraine's president Porohsneko following his "Bohnering" on Ukraine's demands for a free trade agreement with Europe, we said the new president's days are likely numbered. Less than 24 hours later, this has started to play out, and as the live feeds below show, the Kiev parliament is being stormed by what appears to be discontent from the right wing "Right Sector" political group

- UKRAINE PROTESTERS ATTEMPT TO ENTER PARLIAMENT BUILDING: UNIAN


Meanwhile In Ukraine, The Parliament Is Being Stormed, Again - Live Webcast



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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Just checked wiki leaks out and am amazed that the current president Petro Porohsneko was (our insider) for the US state dept since 2006

Giving inside information out like that to another country is shocking,he certainly has no loyalty to his country



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