Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins, NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

No, it is Donetsk Novorossia.

Really, may be you stop trolling ?

.in the video that you posted it clearly states the refugees are on Russian soil not Ukraine, so the Donetsk they are talking about is in Russia.

thats why I called it propaganda. There is no connection between what they show and what they say.

a reply to: kitzik

No, it is Donetsk Novorossia.

And you do understand Novorossia does not exist except only in certain peoples minds.

Really, may be you stop trolling ?

Trolling...Classic.

I guess that's the best you have, because even with that you have nothing.

thats why I called it propaganda. There is no connection between what they show and what they say.

That is because you wouldn't know a connection if you put it together yourself. And so you know more than the one's who are reporting on it...how does that work?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Sorry Mr. Madman, I wasn't paying attention about your location.

Location: Home of the Insane and Twiztid

a reply to: kitzik

Sorry Mr. Madman, I wasn't paying attention about your location.

Location: Home of the Insane and Twiztid

And what exactly does that have to do with the topic at hand?

I see when you have got nothing to add to the topic you try to belittle the other members...it really is sad that you have to go in that direction, but if that gets you through your day so be it.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Sorry but the separatists have broken both cease fires, which in turn got a retaliation from Ukraine. And that would have been evident to someone following this conflict on a daily bases.

Don't worry about who broke the cease fire and where. Soon it is going to be a full scale war again all over the place. Ukrop is digging in important places. Everyday they are bringing new machines and men to Mariupol, Debaltseve, South Areas of Donetsk etc. These are important places to have a foot on.

Russia should not worry about sanctions from the west. It should worry about how to retaliate and hurt the west in response. That is the only way to keep the west quiet from acting up any further. If Russia stays meek then it will get more sanctions.

In financing area China can help them alot as it is sitting on $2 Trillion of hard currency reserves.

a reply to: victor7

Don't worry about who broke the cease fire and where.

Don't worry you say...if it had been Ukraine that broke the ceasefire you would have been going nuts.

It is really relevant as to who broke the ceasefire and where, because it shows who the aggressor is and it shows they aren't really wanting a truce.

Russia should not worry about sanctions from the west. It should worry about how to retaliate and hurt the west in response. That is the only way to keep the west quiet from acting up any further. If Russia stays meek then it will get more sanctions.

You really do live in a different world don't you? Don't you have to act up first before you can act up further?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You really do live in a different world don't you? Don't you have to act up first before you can act up further?

Russia & China may make an alternative to SWIFT.

Every stupid US/EU sanction hastens the end of their own hegemony.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You really do live in a different world don't you? Don't you have to act up first before you can act up further?

Russia & China may make an alternative to SWIFT.

Every stupid US/EU sanction hastens the end of their own hegemony.

Your funny have you even checked on the state of the Russian economy? China isnt going to help Russia they will use them however like with the cheap rates on gas. Russia was robbed but Putin had no choice but to finally accept. China hasbeen making this same offer for decades but Russia wasnt desperate and knew Europe would pay more well thats just not the case anymore. Putin handed Europe to the world energy market when he had Europe locked up. This is just the start of Russian troubles wait until China starts trying to crash the Russian economy so it can take over Russian lands.

This is why Putin is trying to get Russians to go east because there are more Chinese there than Russians. Than he has to face the total lack of industrialization in many sectors in Russia with the sanctions this is going to be extreme.And finally inflation will do alot of damage wait until it takes a hundreds of rubles to buy a loaf of bread. Hopefully before it gets to badRussianswill through him out and elect a true leader who wont destroy the country for ideals.

a reply to: dragonridr

Your funny have you even checked on the state of the Russian economy?

If he had he wouldn't be making such ridiculous statements.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Ridiculous is your mindset which cannot read the health of an economy at a mere glance.

US is begging around the world with $16 Trillion debt

EU is in tatters with $12 Trillion debt

Russia is ahead with $500 Billion in net reserves

Now look yourself at the mirror and come to depressing conclusions

a reply to: victor7

Question -

who is the largest holder of US debt?

a reply to: Xcathdra

I know the answer but the reply would be Printing Companies................

a reply to: victor7

Um you do realize if you believe Russia isnt carrying debt and if you think they have a reserve youve been lied to. Problem is Russian debt is going to drastically increase as Putin tries to modernize the old soviet military maintain pensions and of course continue to subsidize social programs.See the problem is Russias economy is to small. Sadly most of the states in the US make more money than Russia so when you talk health of an economy the first thing you look at is GDP.


www.nationaldebtclocks.org...

a reply to: dragonridr

Your views are not valid and even ridiculous. This is not an economics forum so will not be able to talk any further on this.

There is a huge collection of Junta tanks, APCs and other heavy stuff building up at atleast 3 places in Donbass. It seems open termination of the cease fire is soon going to take place via massive attempt by Junta. This time their attempt will be to initiate attack at one time on all the places in order to not give time for militia reserves to move around.

In that event it is expected that the backers of Minsk cease fire accord i.e. Kremlin...........WILL provide any and all help to NAF elements in all the theaters. This time Junta forces need to be broken completely and pushed beyond Dniper river. If Junta persists any further, NAF will go on to take Kiev itself and throw selected elements to the small patch of trash near the Polish border leaving them to fend for themselves under any criminal name for the rest of their sorry lives.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Xcathdra

I know the answer but the reply would be Printing Companies................

Then you don't know the answer.

The US government is the largest holder of US debt. China is #2.


With the Russian economy moving back into a recession and the Chinese government dumping its shares / interests in Chinese banks with large debt both countries face an uphill battle in modernizing their military's. Putins timetable is 2020 to bring Russia up to speed.

Why would Russia want to push everyone into a war it cannot possibly win? With the Chinese economy reliant upon the US and EU markets, I doubt their government will join with Russia should Putin start something.

Russia isn't pushing everyone into a war and if they did who says they couldn't win? They have superior radar and missiles and are far ahead of the game in terms of military use of lasers

The west with NATO are pushing the Russians into a war.and the Russians are showing restraint

Take Georgia,they wanted fast track into NATO and even sent troops into Iraq to give them bonus points.Their foolish leader thought that NATO would back him when he started killing his own people of Russian heritage in his country forcing Russia to take action and stop it

Did he get the nod to do this from the west purely to see what cards the Russian armed forces are holding up their sleeves?If so then nothing was learnt as majority of the equipment was dated

Now jump to Ukraine,another country begging for NATO membership is killing it's own people of Russian heritage

Is this the Unwritten code for NATO a new country must kill it's own population who lean to Russia?

You have the audacity to post a crazy amount of anti Russian threads while refusing to see the real picture

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Good answer. Russia is now striving towards self sufficiency. The new round of EU sanctions are ready and so are the Russian responses.

en.ria.ru...

Russia imports lots of automobiles from Germany. Now such importations will be made illegal and Russia will produce autos at home. Another blessing in disguise. Places like India and China of all, have come up with various brands of autos which match up with western productions well in terms of MPG and maintenance figures. Best of all, these are also good 20% cheaper vis-a-vis western outputs.

These Asian companies can set up their plants in Russia and offer employment to locals while benefiting further from the easy resources availability like Iron ore.

Same holds for textiles and other clothing items. They can be imported from Asian countries. Regarding the really complicated stuff, Putin can simply outlaw their use in Russia. People will not simply faint on streets if they do not wear Gucci brands.

Guess self sufficiency is the way to go from here on.

Looks like all that's left is the battle for the city of Mariupol.

The Ukrainian authorities acknowledged on Thursday that pro-Russian rebels had extended their control over territory on the eastern border with Russia to the Sea of Azov.

The announcement by the National Security and Defence Council follows a lightning offensive across the southeast area launched by the pro-Russian separatists last month. Source

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And you do understand Novorossia does not exist except only in certain peoples minds.

Putin unofficially admitting Novorossia

Президент России Владимир Путин сегодня посетил храм Живоначальной Троицы на Воробьёвых горах и поставил свечи за тех, кто «пострадал, защищая людей в Новороссии»
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кто «пострадал, защищая людей в Новороссии» - for those who suffered during the battles in Novorossia.

This translation is closer to the video
"... for those who perished while defending people in Novorossia"

a reply to: Bassago

I would have to disagree on this. Merely push back from Donetsk encirclement took place in the end of August. Couple of towns near sea of Azov were taken which opened route to Mariupol from east. If needed, then Russians can send in their armor and troops to Mariupol outskirts from these towns near Sea of Azov.

Rest of the mid size towns are mostly either mere push back or barely holding by NAF. Some towns were infact taken back by the Junta forces.

In areas of NW of Luhansk, Debaltseve (link town between DPR and LPR), and Mariupol a big concentration of Junta machinery is taking place.

Donetsk is still being shelled everyday.

Town of Volnovakha needs to be taken to deny any chances of cut off of Mariupol NAF forces from Donetsk.

Taking of Mariupol is crucial and will be a big mind blow to Junta troops given it is a major port city.