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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AlephBet
In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also
They weren't saved through water, they were from water by a boat, supposedly.
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
If it is the case that each family worshiped a patron god, then Cain had a particular god for his family and Seth had one for his, two competing religious systems in the ancient world. The Sethite view would then be what the ancient Hebrews followed, because their line of descent is through Seth.
If Cain was not the seed of Adam but was the seed of the serpent
New International Version
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
King James Bible
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Notice here, two different names, Adonai Elohim and Elohim. He is cleverly playing here the two different meanings. Adonai Elohim is the Creator and the one who came to talk to Adam and Eve, but then Satan asks "did Elohim say?"
This is the best answer I can give you, but the text is making a distinction in Adonai Elohim and Elohim.
You have to look for the subtlety. Today he is doing the same thing, you can become a god. Do you think you can become or are a god?
Psalms 82
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?
How interesting this all is to me, but since you didn't know, I suppose that to you, that's how I would look on other people, to you. I've got too many groups in the admixture, but which one of them do you think I would say are serpent seeds and worthy to look down upon?
None of that was by accident.
originally posted by: windword
originally posted by: AlephBet
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AlephBet
I read enough. I stopped reading here:
The "Sons of God" are deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men" is deemed restricted to the line of Cain.
But he was not expressing his view here, but showing the view others hold. His conclusion was much different. It's part of the overall view that his conclusion counters.
Even so, its astonishing to see how many of you people still believe the Adam and Eve story to be true enough to be the basis of this mythological femme fetale projection. If Adam and Eve weren't real people, then neither were Cain and his "daughters" nor the Sethites, the supposed "sons of God".
Woman was not created from the rib of a man. It isn't God's law for women to be under men. It wasn't the ease with which a woman can be seduced that brought about the schism within mankind's reality.
There's nothing spiritual or beautiful about these, so called, wedding references. Brides, in biblical times, weren't faithful women in love with their men. They were 12 and 13 year olds, who had most probably never met the man their fathers arranged for them to marry, and where their consent wasn't required. If their virgin "wicks" weren't prepared in time for their groom, when he arrived, it was because they were too immature for marriage, and it was GOOD THING!
God didn't create a flood because he was disappointed with his creation. There were many floods in our history, not due to God's punishment, but due to the melting of the polar ice caps and global warming. All this obsessing about God's wrath and poisoned blood lines justify war, "end times" and the "Days of Noah" is nothing less than unhealthy.
I don't believe in "The Devil" or a Satan character that is opposed to God and out to destroy God's creation and try to drag us all to Hell with him.