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Esoteric Meaning in Music - Panic! At the Disco - Gospel for the Fallen

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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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When my son asked if I would take him and a group of friends to Memphis to see Panic and Fallout Boy, I agreed as a senior gift. After researching the lyrics, and then seeing the bands live, I realize something of a theme in all of their music. If you missed my first thread on Esoteric Meaning in Music, you can read it here: Mr. Roboto - Who"S Kilroy?

Today, I will use one song from the group Panic! to show the same underlying story emerging from the lyrics of Gospel for the Fallen. The following commentary and criticism falls under fair use.

Gospel is a message of salvation from the human condition and body.

This is gospel for the fallen ones
Locked away in permanent slumber
Assembling their philosophies
From pieces of broken memories

---The earlier theme of my threads covered Angels above (Groom) and Children below (Bride). We are entangled between heaven and Earth. Fallen ones are those who are below in the body of a human being. If you need to catch up to this idea, see my previous threads on the Dweller on the Threshold from Matthew 18:

Matthew 18

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

In the lyric above, we see the idea of the Dweller on the Threshold. This is the entity caught between heaven above and the material image below. We are an image, which necessitates the reflection between. Since we are born again (Baptism into the river of life), we have memories of our past, similar to the Matrix movies, "residual self image." Note the lyrics above again.

Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart
Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart

---The heart is the soil of the person. See this thread to know why: How Phoenician Reveals Babel Ear (Seed) enters the mind. We Behold, or Hear. Add a Hebrew H to ear and get Hear. Add a Tav to Hear and get the soil, or HearT. Move the Hey to the end of the word and get eartH. Soil. See the thread.

The gnashing teeth and criminal tongues conspire against the odds
But they haven't seen the best of us yet

---Gnashing teeth is a reference to those who are exiled and locked in darkness (amnesia) as part of the involution into Earth. Conspiring against the odds is fighting God's destiny. The 'us' mentioned above are the Sons of Darkness.

If you love me let me go
If you love me let me go
'Cause these words are knives that often leave scars
The fear of falling apart
And truth be told, I never was yours
The fear, the fear of falling apart

---If you know the previous information, this is clear. Falling apart is chaos. Unity brings together.

Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart
Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart

This is gospel for the vagabonds,
Never-do-wells and insufferable bastards
Confessing their apostasies
Led away by imperfect impostors

---Vagabond is someone who wanders form place to place with no home. Ne'er-do-well is a person who cannot do right. They are the unrightoues of the Earth. Essentially, all of us. This is an idle person, which is the devil's workshop. Confessing apostasies and imperfect imposters is a reference to the false priests of the Roman Catholic Church.

Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart
Oh, this is the beat of my heart, this is the beat of my heart

Don't try to sleep through the end of the world
Bury me alive
'Cause I won't give up without a fight

---The last judgment of mankind is not water, but fire. Water is our baptism into the flood of the river of life. We are the beasts (animal nature and body) in the Ark (earth), traveling to the end of the flood (Salvation). Noah is actually an allegory for baptismSee this thread for why Noah is baptism. . You must be born again. After the flood, the rainbow appears (diversity of seed), then the fire comes to burn the chaff. Fighting to the end is never acknowledging God's authority.

If you love me let me go
If you love me let me go
'Cause these words are knives that often leave scars
The fear of falling apart
And truth be told, I never was yours
The fear, the fear of falling apart

Oh, the fear of falling apart
Oh, the fear, the fear of falling apart

Oh (This is the beat of my heart)
The fear of falling apart

Oh (This is the beat of my heart)
The fear of falling apart

Oh (This is the beat of my heart)
The fear of falling apart

Oh (This is the beat of my heart)
The fear of falling apart

---After you watch the video, consult the symbolism from the video as a comparison to the last thread of the Dweller on the threshold and man under the mask (created body). These guys likely know what the lyrics mean. It is very obvious they are either acknowledging this story or ware influenced by another source. Either way, the symbolism is clear.



The patient is on the operating table having his heart cut out (seat of emotion and soil for the seed). "If you love me let me go" from this body. They hold him down, continuing to cut his heart away. They try to cover his mouth to shut him up. After being put under, he is then dressed in a new suit (body) and prepped to be someone else. He is then encased in a crate (grave). Baptized in water. Again, what is he buried alive in? WATER (baptism)! Again, "If you love me let me go," as he breaks free from the water. He breaks the wall dividing. He is then back on the table again, but this time, there is a rope in his chest where his heart is tied up. Representing the silver cord, they take it out and tie him up in the mortal coil of life. He continues to get away in vain.

Our condition on Earth. Gospel for the fallen ones.


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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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Wait are you rearranging Hebrew letters to make new English words? That is some next level Glenn Beck stuff right there. You know you can't really do that to prove a point right? It doesn't make any sense.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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Now that you are in the mood to hear more, consider Johnny Cash's version of the very same song. Virgins trim your wicks. Although this gets ahead of my threads a bit, Johnny says, "The Whirlwind is in the Thorn Tree," just as Sister Sally sits on a thistle in the song, "All I want for Christmas are my two front teeth." Sister Sally is a NUN, or the letter NUN (Seed). She sits on a thistle (Crown of thorns in the head of Christ / Seed of salvation). All he wants for Christmas are his two front teeth (Letter Shin). And you thought Two Front Teeth was a secular song. Not a chance. The seed of Christ (NUN) sits on a thistle. Until he gets his Shin as part of his name, he waits. It's all he wants for Christmas, just as Johnny tells the virgins to trim their wicks. The whirlwind is in the thorn tree of course. If you don't read symbolism, then start. It's the only way you will understand the Bible. Seed must be opened in good soil.



The man that wrote Two Front Teeth has the same message as Johnny. The Whirlwind is in the Thorn Tree, but I get ahead of myself.

Virgins are outlined here: Are you a Virgin according to the Bible.




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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: ZeroReady
Wait are you rearranging Hebrew letters to make new English words? That is some next level Glenn Beck stuff right there. You know you can't really do that to prove a point right? It doesn't make any sense.


Aleph Bet is the word Father. See thread: Hidden in the Hebrew Letters. He writes the Word. Arrange how you like, the answer will always be the Son of God.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Words derive meaning from roots. English or not, the same meaning carries in the phonics. The Aleph Bet is Phoenician.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:51 PM
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I had a copy of the New Testament given to me by a friend many years ago. He grew up in a strict Catholic household. He was also a lover of heavy metal music. Said the devil has all the good music.

We talked a lot about religion. He knew the churche's version very well and I was interested more in the esoteric. Anyway, this bible he gave me was full (and I mean full) of a side-notes with lyrics from various bands, tying them to passages.

I'm not sure I understand why you are singling out some songs to ascribe an esoteric meaning to but, also, in this bible, was a frequently, all caps, written statement; "BEWARE FALSE PROPHETS".

Check out the lyrics for this song:


This band was a predominant one at the time (mid-late '90's) and a big part of what my friend ascribed meaning to.

I just don't see the point. I love music. I could find inner-meaning in thousands of songs.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: ZeroReady
Wait are you rearranging Hebrew letters to make new English words? That is some next level Glenn Beck stuff right there. You know you can't really do that to prove a point right? It doesn't make any sense.


Let me give you another example. Ear is a seed. The same word I added a Hey to making Hear is the same letter that was added to Abram's name to make Abraham. Once he opened his arms up to God, he heard what was said. His Heart was changed. Tav is T. It is the mark of the cross. Add a Tav to Hear and you get the soil, or hearT. Move the Hey to the end, and you now have the location of the soil where we listen--Earth. That's all Glenn Beckish like you state, but it gets better.

Ear is the Hebrew word spelled from the three letter root:



It cuts the seed. This is the harvest of information we are here to acomplish, or beholding truth, or Hearing to the Heart.

Can I prove this to you? The same word root above makes the word balance, or what the ear does. The letter Bet is house, or what the ear beholds. Remember that Father is Aleph Bet, or Strong House. Bet is the shape of the Cochlea. The Cochlea contains water in two sacks that balance the body. Ear / Balance. Babel can be unwound.

Open the ear to hear. Seed must enter the soil and open. The ear is the balance point to weigh what is heard. Read this thread: How Phoenician Reveals Babel






posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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I'm quoting you here on purpose. I want anyone who reads this to know what I am replying to. The video you post has meaning that is parallel to my last two threads. It is the very same story. While we listen to these songs, we have no clue the true meaning of the words. Until someone starts to connect the story to the higher truth, the truth is ignored for the song. Guess who hears the song and understands? If it is true we are Angels above and children below, the Angel hears and understands. I am convinced that the songs we listen to, the media we watch and the events of history that unfold are really a narrative for the ones above. We are lucky enough at times to understand here below, but the entire Bible is written in code for those who know the language. We read as the watcher, but the real understanding is realized above. When you watch a video or hear a song, and it has a particular meaning to you, the reason is obvious. You are a dweller on the threshold of another being above. That higher nature is speaking to you (likely screaming at you) to listen and understand. Salvation comes to the virgins who trim their lamps. Like anyone else in this world, I need to heed my own words.

Virgins and their Lamps - Trim your wick...


originally posted by: kalunom
I had a copy of the New Testament given to me by a friend many years ago. He grew up in a strict Catholic household. He was also a lover of heavy metal music. Said the devil has all the good music.

We talked a lot about religion. He knew the churche's version very well and I was interested more in the esoteric. Anyway, this bible he gave me was full (and I mean full) of a side-notes with lyrics from various bands, tying them to passages.

I'm not sure I understand why you are singling out some songs to ascribe an esoteric meaning to but, also, in this bible, was a frequently, all caps, written statement; "BEWARE FALSE PROPHETS".

Check out the lyrics for this song:


This band was a predominant one at the time (mid-late '90's) and a big part of what my friend ascribed meaning to.

I just don't see the point. I love music. I could find inner-meaning in thousands of songs.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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Esoteric/spiritual Meaning in Music
. Time for some fun.

A girl who got the fire. Ellie Goulding - Burn


Seems a few more souls got activated. Imagine Dragons - Radioactive.


OneRepublic - Stop And Stare. A homesick one.


Mumford & Sons - Babel. A mask less one.


Peter Gabriel - Shock The Monkey. Shock the monkey to life,


A little Evanescence - Going Under about the problem of not being able to wake up/breaking thru.


Katy Perry - E.T. ft. Kanye West. The seeds are sometime quite different. But then what do you expect from souls/beings that are not native to earth.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
Esoteric/spiritual Meaning in Music
. Time for some fun.

A girl who got the fire. Ellie Goulding - Burn


Seems a few more souls got activated. Imagine Dragons - Radioactive.


She is reportedly a Christian, but the lyrics could go either way. If it's a fire for God, then the wick of the virgin shines. If it's a fire lit in rebellion, it's the fire in Matthew 3:

Fire is the last baptism. Water is the easy path. Water puts out fire. Living water is the same oil that lights the lamp of the virgin, but fire in this case is the flame in the thorns on Christ's head. This is not a fire you mess with. The water keeps the fire from burning the person.

Matthew 3. Remember, baptism is our involution there to repent of our sins. It's the water putting out the coming fire.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

She lights it. No doubt.
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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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S+F
I see our spiritual make up as a cross. You have the angels above you and the fallen below you. Then the accepting you on the left and the rejecting you on the right. The left is the future you and the right is the past you always with you. With so many influences it all becomes confusing to the cross point. The op points to the fact that communication to many influences can be achieved in everyday conversation if you know how to ask the question without freaking anyone out. Sometimes i form the question in my mind then start a conversation about something else and the answer will be there but hidden to our reality.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle

---Radioactive. Angels are from the fire. Feels himself (Angel) waking up. The power of an Angels is unimaginable I would suspect.

---Stop and Stare --- Oh my. Too much in this one to cover here. I have not seen this video. I'll get this one in a thread devoted to it. The sound of one crying in the wilderness is Elijah. God's voice is a still small voice. That's enough to get started. Elijah is John the Baptist preparing the way for 7 billion souls to be present to see the end.

---Mumford & Sons - Babel. A mask less one. ---Like I said earlier, they either celebrate hope or lament the condition. It's a mix. Who is really singing? The Dweller on the Threshold is the inner voice.

---Peter Gabriel - Shock The Monkey. Shock the monkey to life, ---Ever watch the end of Johnny Neutron and the monkeys trapped on the Island of DNA? Shock the Monkey. "Hi! I'm Paul," says the monkey. Interesting. It's all connected.

---A little Evanescence - Going Under about the problem of not being able to wake up/breaking thru. --- I have a good friend that had a band that toured with Evanescence. They were the opening act. I could tell you about the influence he was under. The band crumbled under the debauchery. My friend was the only band member to stay out of the mess. He was a Christian. He stood out as a shining light among the others. It was interesting to watch.

---Katy Perry - E.T. ft. Kanye West. The seeds are sometime quite different. But then what do you expect from souls/beings that are not native to earth. --- Save the best for last.

Hollywood knows the story. The people in the general public have no clue. The Bible tells the story. Not only is the Bible's outer story correct, the inner story of symbolism tells the same message. Not only does the inner and outer match, but the words and letters then tell the same story again.

As above, so below. As within, so without. All of creation proclaims the message. Baptism is for repentance. If we refuse, fire comes. I need to heed these words.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
S+F
I see our spiritual make up as a cross. You have the angels above you and the fallen below you. Then the accepting you on the left and the rejecting you on the right. The left is the future you and the right is the past you always with you. With so many influences it all becomes confusing to the cross point. The op points to the fact that communication to many influences can be achieved in everyday conversation if you know how to ask the question without freaking anyone out. Sometimes i form the question in my mind then start a conversation about something else and the answer will be there but hidden to our reality.


I agree here, but the right is the truth. In front is likely the past. It's the thing you face. Turning to the cross faces you to an eternal future. Behind, or coming at you until you turn. This is an old Jewish tradition. Look up Hebrew word Aharit.

John 21

He said, "Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some." When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish

That large number was the seventeenth triangular number (153). It's the measure of the fish, or the square root of 2 and 3 that makes the vesica Pisces (flower of life). Unity from multiplicity. Pythagoras showed us this, but Jesus noted it in the parable of Peter putting on a robe to jump in the water. The robe, of course, is the material body Peter put on to meet Christ on the shore.

This is the same as conservative and liber al. Right hand path and left. Chirality in chemical bonds. One will cure you and one will kill you. Two mirrored things cannot be superimposed on each other. Right hand of God, or where Christ is. Jewish tradition says the same thing. Right is correct.

Front and back denotes time.


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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet

Now if you were to tell me that there is a Satanic agenda in the music industry, then that is a different thing than trying to find esoteric meanings from song to song.



Yes, there is an agenda, but they are plainly doing it in a straightforward manner. You don't have to look for esoteric meanings in anything that is straightforward.

I watched the movie Across The Universe with an elderly friend that was so enamored of the Beatles that she constantly talked about her love for them when she was a teenager. So, to show her that the Beatles were encouraging drug use and tantric Hinduism, we watched it. In the middle of the movie she started to cry because she suddenly realized what the songs were about. She replied that she had always thought it was just about having a good time.

But there is nothing esoteric about this, because it is straightforward.

The lyrics in Come Together is a mockery of Jesus Christ. But it isn't hidden knowledge. They even admitted this. There has been no hidden agenda, it has been out in the public knowledge for a long time, Hollywood isn't hiding it at all. Why do you think they have? They have openly admitted it since the beginning of rock and roll and suddenly now people are asking if there is an agenda? What took you so long to figure it out?



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet
It can also be viewed in anatomy. The head and groin and the right and left arm. The left accepts and the right rejects. It is a battle of the ages also. The child in the past fights the man of old. The left accepts and that is why wedding rings are worn on the left. Why is Jesus at the right hand of GOD? He is rejecting the influence that jesus is under in order to make footstools. Look at politics the left progressives accept everything and on the right the conservatives reject much. The heart is the point of the cross. Jesus also said that a wise man carries his heart in his right hand. We shake hands with the right and that has evolved into a fist bump that represents basicaly two magnets repeling eachother in an underhanded sign of spiritual battle. I could take it further to the officer in ferguson. He engauged a suspect on his left side and almost lost his life over it. Only when he faced head on did he gain his ground.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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If you're into esoteric messages in music, Led Zeppelin is one of the best examples in my opinion.

A quote from "All of My Love":



Yours is the cloth, mine is the hand that sews time
his is the force that lies within
Ours is the fire, all the warmth we can find
He is a feather in the wind


The cloth is the Mother or material, the hand that sews time is the Son or image, the force that lies within is the Father or Spirit. When all three are together get the fire or light of life.

This theme runs throughout their work. "Ten Years Gone", "Misty Mountain Hop", "Hey Hey What Can I Do", "Kashmir", "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Going to California", plus others all have esoteric knowledge within their lyrics.

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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Thanks for that. I figured I would eventually get to a few other bands before moving on to some other topic. I want to do some Christmas songs as well. Most people have no idea that Frosty, for instance, is filled with this same story. Two Front Teeth is Amazing if you get it. There are others. Even the story of the writer of two front teeth fits into the meaning. I think he knew what he was writing and hid it in a simple children's song. Possible, he didn't. That would be even better.

Too many songs. Kansas is another. I was good friends with the song writer for America (Dan Peek). He was a Christian. Kansas is another group with a Christian song writer. Kerry Livgrin was a Christian. Wayward Son. Dust in the Wind. All of these carry on the same message.






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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
If you're into esoteric messages in music, Led Zeppelin is one of the best examples in my opinion.

A quote from "All of My Love":



Yours is the cloth, mine is the hand that sews time
his is the force that lies within
Ours is the fire, all the warmth we can find
He is a feather in the wind


The cloth is the Mother or material, the hand that sews time is the Son or image, the force that lies within is the Father or Spirit. When all three are together get the fire or light of life.

This theme runs throughout their work. "Ten Years Gone", "Misty Mountain Hop", "Hey Hey What Can I Do", "Kashmir", "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Going to California", plus others all have esoteric knowledge within their lyrics.


How funny. You guys are taking obvious songs and now trying to insert meaning into them, just so you change the meaning of them as well, hilarious. But how do you interpret Whole Lotta' Love? "I wanna' be your backdoor man"? Now, interpret that one into new spiritual meaning.

OK, time to play along....

Beatles Come Together

Here come old flattop, he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball, he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please

He wear no shoeshine, he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger, he shoot coca-cola
He say "I know you, you know me"
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free
Come together right now over me

He bag production, he got walrus gumboot
He got Ono sideboard, he one spinal cracker
He got feet down below his knee
Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease
Come together right now over me

(Right!
Come, oh, come, come, come.)

He roller-coaster, he got early warning
He got muddy water, he one mojo filter
He say "One and one and one is three"
Got to be good-looking cos he's so hard to see
Come together right now over me


A mockery of Jesus Christ. Do you think John Lennon was just playing when he urinated on those nuns? Or perhaps there is esoteric meaning in Imagine


Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try,
imagine there's no hell below"


Do you really now believe there is esoteric meaning leading to some godly enlightenment? You are quoting the very artists that have admitted their involvement and then you look for something else in what they have patently and obviously said?



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:23 PM
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Yes and monster energy drink is really three Vavs, so they are emulating the number of man (mark of the beast in Christian misunderstanding).

Anyway, those in favor of Chaos do not want the opposite of order, but the synthesis of order and chaos. Look up a fractal image to get an idea of what I mean. All life follows this pattern. It is chaos unfurled to produce a self-sustaining order that is greater than the sum of its parts and works against the deleterious laws of nature.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Maybe your preconceived notions are blinding you to it? Either that or they were singing to a handkerchief or something by calling it a cloth.

Backdoor man could be a reference to the Spirit or what's behind (the back of) what can be seen. The physical world is the front door, the Spirit is the backdoor, what's in between is the observer. Spirit (backdoor/behind the image) is the Father or "man" of the house with a front and back door.

We are "Spirit"ual beings having a physical experience. To come in through the back door could represent the Spirit coming into the body at conception in the womb.

I wouldn't expect you to understand though. In your opinion Jesus' parable were meant to taken literally? Or were they symbolism for a greater truth? If they were symbolism or metaphor then you have set a double standard. Or maybe you believe that Jesus is the only one allowed to spread esoteric knowledge through metaphor and symbolism with his parables? Seems like a very narrow-minded way of thinking to me.
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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: WarminIndy

Maybe your preconceived notions are blinding you to it? Either that or they were singing to a handkerchief or something by calling it a cloth.

Backdoor man could be a reference to the Spirit or what's behind (the back of) what can be seen. The physical world is the front door, the Spirit is the backdoor, what's in between is the observer. Spirit (backdoor/behind the image) is the Father or "man" of the house with a front and back door.

We are "Spirit"ual beings having a physical experience. To come in through the back door could represent the Spirit coming into the body at conception in the womb.

I wouldn't expect you to understand though. In your opinion Jesus' parable were meant to taken literally? Or were they symbolism for a greater truth? If they were symbolism or metaphor then you have set a double standard.


Amazing.

Backdoor man is a sexual euphemism for a certain sexual position. I am shocked that you would try to interpret that in such a spiritual manner to make it look like some type of godhood that Led Zeppelin was trying to extoll. Amazing.


Seriously, you just said that backdoor man was about Jesus? Really?



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