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France halts warship delivery to Russia

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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

www.reuters.com...

The us fined France right after they said they would continue selling those ships to Russia.

Anyways it's more about pressure then anything else.

Not about standing up for something. They never wanted to stop selling:
online.wsj.com...

So not short after France bank got a huge fine, so again I wonder they made some kind of deal.




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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LOL away...

It was a tender that France won and now hundreds of shipyard workers are going to be without a job...

Always good to look on both sides methinks?

Kindest respects

Rodinus
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys


Oh really? And maybe the west can quit encircling Russia with its NATO allies

Why did those nations ally themselves with the west / NATO? Nothing prevented them from aligning with Russia or China. As for bases there is no possible way to encircle Russia or China, just as the same is true of Iran, which by the way the same bs argument was used.




originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
and quit renigging on their agreement not to expand NATO.

This is a lie. The US nor NATO ever agreed to not expand east. At the time the German Chancellor made the comment about NATO expansion in his meeting with Gorbachev. The issue is Germany is not NATO nor do they speak for all members of it. The German agreement never spoke for NATO.

Something Gorbachev talked about with Bush (the first one).





originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
The bottomline is the US should be making allies with Russia and embracing Russia and Putin. 8% of the worlds population is white, America and Europe need Russia if white people are to survive the coming onslaught against them.


We tried with Russia. NATO invited Russia to join. Russia wanted a special status that no other NATO member has. When NATO would not agree, Russia did their own thing.

Putin is going down the road of Stalin and Hitler. This is evident in there language and ideology, the manner in which they justify their actions.

Putin is living in the past.
edit on 3-9-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Actually they did,and according to the agreement,if for any reason France does not deliver the ships they have to return the money and pay huge fines for breaking the contract.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: roth1
If i remember the people in the one area there wanted to be part of Russia voted and it is so.


Not rigged at all by a corrupt foreign entity with boots on the ground and supplemental assistance for their forces.

Nope



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: yourmaker

originally posted by: roth1
If i remember the people in the one area there wanted to be part of Russia voted and it is so.


Not rigged at all by a corrupt foreign entity with boots on the ground and supplemental assistance for their forces.

Nope


Russia own presidential council on human rights said the vote was a sham by releasing the real numbers and not the ones reported by the Russian government. The vote results were nothing close to what was claimed.

The second sham votes in the south / east of Ukraine were not only not recognized by other countries, but russia herself did not recognize the outcomes.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: Plugin

There's always a deal to be made. The optics of handing the Russians a naval vessel named Sevastopol at the moment look bad to our friends in the region. I'm sure US pressure is a large part of the decision to delay the sale. There are lots of ways to creatively end this. The easiest is to sit on the ships until things resolve themselves satisfactorily in the Ukraine. Slightly less likely, NATO could purchase the ships for international operations and retrofit them through completion (most of the money coming from the US). French yard workers would then be unaffected. In fact, more work would be generated as they retrofit and can drag the production out for a longer period of time. If NATO really wanted to send a political message it could operate the ships from Poland or aside BALTRON. The French themselves could complete the vessels and operate them alongside their other ships of the (nearly) same class. You could find several other nations interested in procuring amphibious ships and facilitate their sale that way. Australia, Japan and Canada have all pondered the acquisition of amphibious ships in the past. All three could make good advantage of modifications of the class for polar operations by the Russian spec. With China becoming increasingly aggressive Australia and Japan in particular might be more interested in the past. Short lead time off the production line as the ships are mostly complete might be an incentive. The Russian money could be held up in red tape until things die down or seized in the event things go very sour. It's a bargaining chip like everything else.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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In a way it is good that Russia is not getting these ships anymore. The whole complex with more than million chips and circuits and probably 10 million+ lines of software coding......... is very vulnerable to some hacking device that would render the crucial parts in a zippo mode........at the time of critical needs.

Why can't Russia make such ships at home? They have been doing so for decades, why such a sudden turn to foreign purchasing.




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Russia has a HUGE production problem right now. They can barely manage to make aircraft, which are FAR less complex than ships. Even the subs that they have built lately have been years behind, and way over budget. The Su-34 is a prime example. The first 16 that were delivered, every one of them had a different problem. When they started pulling circuit boards out, every one of them was built a different way, even though they had schematics for them all built the same way.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

But do you buy m argument on the vulnerability due to "hacking" type issues.

Production problems can be solved with "stalin's principles of operations management".




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: victor7

You can build protections into the software though. Russia can install their own software retroactively, or build other protections into it. There is a chance of hacking, yes, but you can take steps around that.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: roth1
If i remember the people in the one area there wanted to be part of Russia voted and it is so. Russia should protect Russia that area is Russia now. .


You must have missed the part where the people who did not want Russia there were not allowed to vote!!! Gun butts to the foreheads are not a very fair vote! I bet you think Russian troops are not in East Ukraine as well.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Actually they did,and according to the agreement,if for any reason France does not deliver the ships they have to return the money and pay huge fines for breaking the contract.


Not under the current sanctions!! Might just push Russia to war but France could not deliver them anyway under the current sanctions I believe and given Russia's current and former acts on its neighbors it is not a good idea to build weapons for them at all.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: Dimithae

The second ship hasn't been paid for. France is free to sell it to anyone that's interested if they cancel the deal with Russia for that hull. The first hull has Russian sailors training on it already, and is scheduled for delivery next month. That's the one that they face serious penalties for.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 11:15 PM
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Screw the penalties...

Russia is more than welcome to take the company to the EU courts for compensation. I wonder if this is a reason why Putin just dropped a US PR firm - Ketchum.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Those aren't weapons,they are just the hull of ships they are building. Russia will outfit them once delivery has been made.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Those aren't weapons,they are just the hull of ships they are building. Russia will outfit them once delivery has been made.


I think you mean would have installed the weapons if France had not canceled the contract.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 02:51 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Why you can't believe that a region where majority (60-70%) are Russians will not vote to join Russia ?
Yes, there is not 90+ % like the final official results of the vote, but probably some didn't participated at all.
Ethnic Crimean Tatars as far as I know decided to boycott referendum.
Look, if there was serious distortion of the justice why don't we see any demonstrations, any resistance ?
Why Ukrainian army is not rushing to liberate them ? Because there is not enough popular support in Crimea, that is why.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 02:56 AM
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France had until now resisted pressure to halt the delivery.


France had pressure coming from the Germans and NATO this shouldn't be an surprise although the move by France was a good plan.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 03:28 AM
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a reply to: victor7

That's not really an issue on these ships, France was really just building the hulls + engines with the rest being outfitted in Russia using Russian equipment - You don't think these Assault ships were going to be supplied with the latest in NATO hardware on board, did you?

As Zaph has said, Russia cannot build these ships - in fact, the reason the deal was done was to enable Russia to "learn" how to build these ships and eventually be able to construct their own. Russia has never been a massively successful shipbuilder, even during the Soviet heyday.



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