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Ukraine 'agrees truce' with Putin

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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

You are wrong. This is the problem with Western thinking. Thugs and cheats and criminals must not be allowed to participate in the political process.

Why don't you advise USA to free its prison population - the highest % jailed of any country. What is right for Ukraine must be right for USA too.




posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: GargIndia


You are wrong. This is the problem with Western thinking. Thugs and cheats and criminals must not be allowed to participate in the political process.


And who determines what is a crime?



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

The right sector of Ukraine must be banned from political process. Any group with violent ideology should be banned.

The same should happen in other countries including Russia, Pakistan etc.

It is not hard to determine what constitutes violent ideology - racial profiling, intolerance of other religions or ethnic groups, desire for racial superiority etc.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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The biggest threat to world peace is the country named Saudi Arabia. So far this country has been under USA's protection and has been responsible for most of the trouble in the last 30 years.

The lies do not help when large number of people start to see through the lies.

USA is losing its leadership because a lot of people have seen through USA's designs.

The Muslims are pawns in the geo-political game being played by USA. The Anglo-American empire always used Sunni Muslims to its benefit. Muslims have the dubious quality of getting easily manipulated.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: DJW001

The right sector of Ukraine must be banned from political process. Any group with violent ideology should be banned.

The same should happen in other countries including Russia, Pakistan etc.

It is not hard to determine what constitutes violent ideology - racial profiling, intolerance of other religions or ethnic groups, desire for racial superiority etc.



So... you want to ban BJP?



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:32 AM
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The BJP is a moderate political party. If you think there are extreme right wing elements in BJP, there are even more in Congress. You prepare a list of the ones in BJP, I shall send you a list in the Congress party.

The regional parties in India are even worse. You make a serious mistake here - profiling based on religion. Religion is not the only murderous ideology in this world.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:36 AM
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Back to Ukraine:

Poroshenko is selling his stake in his business empire. Although it seems it is due to some legal requirement after becoming President, the reality is that Poroshenko is about to flee Ukraine. There is not much time left for him. He lost the battle of East Ukraine.

NATO for Ukraine is a lost cause now. Ukraine was valuable to NATO for a reason, and that reason is lost now.

The NATO is still going to try to recover eastern Ukraine and Crimea by force. The war is not yet over. It is going to be much much worse than what has already happened. I predict Poroshenko will be replaced with another "fascist" leader as Poroshenko is simply not tough enough. Poroshenko is just a rich and corrupt guy. It is hard for him to witness such spillage of blood.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:39 AM
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I also predict that Russians have no patience left for Georgia now. If Georgia make any trouble in near future, it will be dealt with strategic weapons. I advise Georgia to stay out.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
How on earth can Putin agree to a truce if he isn't behind the rebel violence? Hmm...


The same way ANY credible mediator manages to facilitate a cease fire...by being a credible mediator.

Blimey, it's not a difficult concept mate.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:52 AM
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The war is not just against Russia - it is against Russian speaking people. The Ukrainian fascists want to exterminate Russian speaking people. This is the reason why this war is so dangerous.

The fact is Ukrainian nationalism is phony. The militia is using Nazi symbols. There is no Ukrainian nationalism. It is just sentiments whipped out of nothing.

Russia has to fight due to the nature of war. It is not about a piece of land. It is about survival of Russia.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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The war is not just against Russia - it is against Russian speaking people. The Ukrainian fascists want to exterminate Russian speaking people. This is the reason why this war is so dangerous.


Interesting, but what about those Russian speaking citizens that are in areas now controlled by Ukraine are they still not living, so your comments are a total fallacy.



The fact is Ukrainian nationalism is phony. The militia is using Nazi symbols. There is no Ukrainian nationalism. It is just sentiments whipped out of nothing.


Funny you should talk about Naziism, because the separatists were run by a Russian Neo Nazi...Pavel GUbarev.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But of course that is all fine and dandy, because he is RUssian...right?



Russia has to fight due to the nature of war. It is not about a piece of land. It is about survival of Russia.


Really, because last time I checked they were fighting in Ukraine and not Russia...time to learn geography.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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I do not support Russian ultra-nationalists.

However you forget that Russia is faced with a very difficult challenge of facing off NATO. NATO has become very aggressive against Russia. Such situation has resulted in Russian ultra-nationalists gaining an upper hand in society.

The Ukrainian secret services are active against Russian speaking people in all regions of Ukraine. What you just said is wrong. The current Ukrainian government is a criminal government. If West supports it, it does not become good.

Please read the following piece:

www.washingtonsblog.com...

NATO expansion at this time is aimed at defeating Russia first and then China next. Of course Russia and China are not fools and they are taking actions to protect themselves.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 05:41 AM
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I do not support Russian ultra-nationalists.


No, you simply think they are right and hope they will someday start a conflict that will destroy the "West." Other than that, you are indifferent to them.


However you forget that Russia is faced with a very difficult challenge of facing off NATO.


At one point, there was talk of admitting Russia into NATO. If there is conflict between NATO and Russia, it is because Russia is not interested in maintaining the Westphalian system that has kept Europe as stable as it has been for the past 400 years.


NATO has become very aggressive against Russia.


How, exactly? Admitting new members is not an act of aggression. Nothing has happened to change the balance of power between NATO and Russia. All that has happened is that the balance of power between Russia and the smaller, weaker states on its periphery has changed. If Russia has no intention of being aggressive, the balance of power remains the same.


Such situation has resulted in Russian ultra-nationalists gaining an upper hand in society.


At least you see that much clearly. Ultra-nationalists require war to justify themselves. Now who do you think the aggressor is?





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