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The Last Speech Of Qaddafi

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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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What we did to libya was just shameful,thats what happens if you dont play ball with the USA.




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: jude11
It is the way it supposed to be, but the Rothschilds will not be having any of it, hence, Qaddafi had to go. It is sad what the infiltrated US gov has done over the years to other nations. Look what they did to Saddam and now look at Iraq. They tried to kill Assad too. Iran was next in line.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: roth1
Saddam did a lot for those who were not trying to kill him too. Castro does a lot more than he got credit for as well as Hugo Chavez. They are demonized for helping people and kicking out business not for the people. Chavez and Saddam both offered more than once to sell oil on the market cheaper. And i am sure others too. That created a big problem. Capitalism is the problem. Although a good idea and sounds good it can not work properly without regulating it so Big business does not take advantage of the people. Another example Marijuana laws, Illegal because of no medical benefit LIES. Not only was Marijuana illegal the steral hemp that cant even get you high was made illegal. Why because powerful industry wanted it that way to continues profiting. A company i forget who recently patented Marijuana for cancer use. So now they want to own the rights to using a herb and get money every time it is used for medical purposes. I hope it never works that way. Lipitor lobbied to have red yeast rice illegal and succeeded for a wile so they could sell their crap with not as good results and more side effects. I am sure it goes on forever.


And people still flap their ignorant mouths and proclaim that Africa is a violent, diseased, impoverished land because "they" are naturally violent and tribal, so noble Europeans had to step in to mitigate things.

Wonder what the ignorants of this world will claim about Libya 60 years down the road?



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: douglas5
A big thank you to everybody who replied to this thread



again thank you to everyone who replied to this thread and for keeping it civil



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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Gaddafi attacks Arab leaders at the Arab summit in Syria (2008)



This speech by him is one that I often come back to.
edit on 3-9-2014 by Jungian because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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I have to call BS on this entire thread.

1: Lets start with the no 1 foulest sounding bit of tripe here... "We bombed him because he was going to put all of Africa on to a gold standard"

To this I say YES and SO WHAT? Sorry to inform you guys but while the rest of the world put it's effort into a global society based on modernization that particular little action wouldn't just send the USA spiraling down into horrible conditions but rather also Europe, Asia, Much of South America as it collapsed the global economy... I do have empathy for the African condition being the "last" part of the world to modernize, but making the case that we should all, the bulk of the world go backwards nearly a century so that Africa can reach parity quicker is nothing short of an attack on the entire first world and by parity I mean exactly what I am saying... The entire northern hemisphere returning to the conditions of 1900 so that "some" of Africa reaches 1900, it was a non negotiable attack on not just the West but most of the East as well... it's the equivalent of your unemployed neighbor stealing your atm card and tapping into your gas and power and expecting you to pay because he never paid his dues and went to college like you did, surely I would shoot that man in the head just as Qaddafi got exactly what he deserved.

2: What makes you think the programs as applied to Lybia would be sustainable by reality anywhere or for anyone else? So Qaddafi basically intended to make Lybia the worlds largest Oil state like Dubai? Everyone shares in a single national resource for a median quality of life? How does that ever beat "the modern world" sure with a really, really small population like Dubai you get wealth, for a nation the size of Lybia... your not going to ever have a great quality of life, you'd have a substandard house by out standards, mostly free basic care in a crappy medical system, and water... which is FINE for Lybia because it is a desert... but now let's bring the rest of the world into the equation.... Yeah Lybia would be the crown Jewel of Africa, maybe a few nations do a bit better and the roughly 50-60 modernized nations with larger populations and modern societies again fall to African status... Hooray for Lybia, screw everyone else...

Let''s not fail to mention, what in the hell did this guy plan to do or any other state for that fact, when the god damned oil and gold runs out with a system based on a finite commodity? I guess the plan goes as such... make everyone rich of a commodity, buy up most of another commodity and base all money on it, then when it hyper inflates be wealthy forever while everyone else eats poo?

In short... MO here basically thought of himself as African Robin Hood, good for this guy with his ambition to be King of Africa and rob the rest of the planet blind, he was no god damned better than anyone else in Politics except he thought he was going to Trump the whole world from the middle of the desert and he didn't actually go up against "one king" (America) he tried to step on the toes of 60 Kings or so globally and when you do that.... yeah, there is a good chance you'll be gang raped in the gutter.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: criticalhit
"1: Lets start with the no 1 foulest sounding bit of tripe here... "We bombed him because he was going to put all of Africa on to a gold standard"

To this I say YES and SO WHAT? Sorry to inform you guys but while the rest of the world put it's effort into a global society based on modernization that particular little action wouldn't just send the USA spiraling down into horrible conditions but rather also Europe, Asia, Much of South America as it collapsed the global economy... I do have empathy for the African condition being the "last" part of the world to modernize, but making the case that we should all, the bulk of the world go backwards nearly a century so that Africa can reach parity quicker is nothing short of an attack on the entire first world and by parity I mean exactly what I am saying... The entire northern hemisphere returning to the conditions of 1900 so that "some" of Africa reaches 1900, it was a non negotiable attack on not just the West but most of the East as well... it's the equivalent of your unemployed neighbor stealing your atm card and tapping into your gas and power and expecting you to pay because he never paid his dues and went to college like you did, surely I would shoot that man in the head just as Qaddafi got exactly what he deserved.

If you're speaking of him getting rid of the Dollar as an attack on the World...I say that's backwards. The Dollar is exactly what is being used in attacking the World. Don't want it? Here we come.

2: What makes you think the programs as applied to Lybia would be sustainable by reality anywhere or for anyone else?

It only has to be sustainable in Libya for Libyans. Did anyone bother to ask them how they liked it? How about asking them if everything's ok now?

So Qaddafi basically intended to make Lybia the worlds largest Oil state like Dubai? Everyone shares in a single national resource for a median quality of life?

Sharing the wealth while having a median quality of life is much better than getting nothing and living in the streets. Better than what they grew up with and certainly you should line up for your share in America. See how much they pay out.

How does that ever beat "the modern world" sure with a really, really small population like Dubai you get wealth, for a nation the size of Lybia... your not going to ever have a great quality of life, you'd have a substandard house by out standards, mostly free basic care in a crappy medical system, and water... which is FINE for Lybia because it is a desert... but now let's bring the rest of the world into the equation.... Yeah Lybia would be the crown Jewel of Africa, maybe a few nations do a bit better and the roughly 50-60 modernized nations with larger populations and modern societies again fall to African status... Hooray for Lybia, screw everyone else...

His goal was ALL of Africa, not JUST Libya. TPTB couldn't have that. They want Africa's wealth/resources and that would be Difficult with a more powerful Africa. Nope...Can't have that.

Let''s not fail to mention, what in the hell did this guy plan to do or any other state for that fact, when the god damned oil and gold runs out with a system based on a finite commodity? I guess the plan goes as such... make everyone rich of a commodity, buy up most of another commodity and base all money on it, then when it hyper inflates be wealthy forever while everyone else eats poo?

Sorry I'm lost. Are you still talking about Libya? Or Britain? The US perhaps? Canada?

In short... MO here basically thought of himself as African Robin Hood, good for this guy with his ambition to be King of Africa and rob the rest of the planet blind, he was no god damned better than anyone else in Politics except he thought he was going to Trump the whole world from the middle of the desert and he didn't actually go up against "one king" (America) he tried to step on the toes of 60 Kings or so globally and when you do that.... yeah, there is a good chance you'll be gang raped in the gutter.

And yet, the World is now on the brink of collapsing the US Dollar so as to not pay homage to the "King" Seems like Gaddafi was just ahead of his time and had more balls than most. But Don't worry, you'll see it in your life time even if Gaddafi couldn't.

Peace

edit on 3-9-2014 by jude11 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: douglas5

Well this thread grabbed my interest and I spent way too much time trying to get to the real story. One thing that I really wanted to know was how accurate was the list of benefits provided by Gaddafi to the Libyan people.

I found it interesting that I couldn’t readily find a Snopes article that addresses the validity of the “list.” Is that because it is difficult to find concrete information to prove or disprove each item? Or, is it because there is more truth than un-truth in the list? I’m sure the TPTB don’t want any reliable source to demonstrate that Gaddafi had any good qualities. That would really screw up a good propaganda campaign.

So, I did a little of my own research and I came to the conclusion that, as one might expect, it turns out there are both truths and un-truths in the standard “list.” I don’t have time to go into all of the individual items. But the following information from the Wikipedia article concerning the Libyan Civil War provides some context:

By the end of Gaddafi's 42 years rule, Libya's population had a per capita income of $14,000, though a third was estimated to still live below the poverty line.[61] A broadly secular society was imposed.[62] Child marriage was banned, and women enjoyed equality of equal pay for equal work, equal rights in divorce and access to higher education rose from 8% in 1966 to 43% in 1996.[63] Homelessness was insignificant, and illiteracy had been largely eliminated, with literacy rates estimated at 88%, and average life expectancy rose from 51/54 in 1969 to 74/77.
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Libya had welfare systems allowing access to free education, free healthcare, and financial assistance for housing, while the Great Manmade River was built to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country

Other sources indicate that while there were many free services, they were of quite sub-standard quality. And corruption was rampant.

There is also a lot of information concerning Gaddafi's atrocities. This guy did some really evil stuff. He was not a nice guy. I can see where he was feared, and to some extent hated, by his subjects. For my part, had I been a citizen of Libya under Gaddafi, I am certain I would have been summarily executed a long time ago.

Muammar Gaddafi was a megalomaniac narcissistic psychopath. He likely only had a very tenuous grip on reality. And, he was absolutely the perfect person to lead his nation. It would appear that a strong central government run by a narcissist is about the only form of government that is functional in the Middle East.

I think my “zoo keeper” theory applies here. When the “zoo keeper” is deposed, the zoo animals can then run amok. We might not be very fond of the zoo keeper, especially if he’s a nut. But it’s safer for the rest of the world if the zoo keeper is in control, rather than all of the animals running loose. I suspect that for most of the citizens of Libya, they would much prefer the Gaddafi regime to what they have now. From the same Wikipedia article:

A September 2013 report by The Independent shows that Libya had plunged into its worst political and economic crisis since the defeat of Gaddafi. The production of oil had almost completely stopped and the government had lost control of large areas of the country to the militias, while violence increased throughout the country. By August 2014 the situation had worsened with the country's armed forces battling militias on several fronts. On 12 August 2014 masked gunmen assassinated the Tripoli police chief Colonel Mohammed Sweissi, the second police chief to be killed in a month, as the country appeared to be verging on another civil war. On 23 August 2014, after 10 days of clashes, Tripoli International Airport finally fell to fighters from Libyan Central Shield, a coalition of Islamist and Misrata forces


Quite frankly it looks like deposing Saddam Hussein, the “war on terrorism,” Israel’s roid-rage, and the so-called “Arab Spring” have left the Middle East in such an unstable state that it’s almost certainly not going to end well for them, or the rest of us.

IMHO,
Dex



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: DexterRiley

Good points dexter better the devil you know , when you look on the devastation in that country and Syria,iraq,and the Ukraine ,Gaza .

Someone has a multi billion rebuilding job to do in those affected countries and in time the money trail will become visible for all to see .




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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Haha even th commenters on that dailymail article aren't buying the BS.

If by now we haven't learned how the powers that be use kids for everything from censoring the Internet to demonizing foreign leaders to whatever, then we ave serious problems.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: douglas5

Other than the infrastructure required to continue exploiting the natural resources, I don't think there's going to be a lot of rebuilding. And I think the sources of the money trail will go to any length to maintain their anonymity.

While there were lots of critics of what Muammar Gaddafi was doing with his investments in the African continent, he was empowering many of those nations to take steps on their own to improve their conditions. Without a rich "cheerleader" to encourage those member states, it's unlikely they will ever truly achieve independence from their colonial masters. As long as they remain in disarray, TPTB can continue to exploit the abundant resources of Africa at their whim.

And an unstable nation-state with a high probability of creating a fanatical extremist group is good for the Military-Industrial-Complex.

Hmmm. Now that I think about it. Is this what they call the "free market?"



Dex



edit on 9/3/2014 by DexterRiley because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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We should believe all the wonders the propaganda ministries of each country tells us.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 08:42 AM
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Its all just Recreation - errr - Re Creation. A big elaborate game that has been playing out and perfected over thousands of years. Each area of the globe is given a cosmological theme - and they play out the story of the god's (planets) during that particular timeline of earth's history.


Its horrifically beautiful in its orchestration.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: jude11
Just a few things he Did. Never Disputed actually:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya ­ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi's father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms ­ all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it ­ not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion ­ now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. Great Man-Made River project in Libya $27 billion.

Isn't this the way it's supposed to be?

Peace





Can an other nation be so jealous on an other country that it starts to consider it a treat? What if this country is showing other countries how to built up a prospering nation like their own... could that be considered a treat for those who think they themselves are the ultimate example of how to govern a modern country?

Qaddafi must have done something terrible wrong which proportionally could not weigh up to the thing he did well. So very wrong that he had to be removed from this planet. What ever that must have been I trust the organisation which judgement over our earth and all its nations rules.





posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: jude11
a reply to: criticalhit
"1: Lets start with the no 1 foulest sounding bit of tripe here... "We bombed him because he was going to put all of Africa on to a gold standard"

To this I say YES and SO WHAT? Sorry to inform you guys but while the rest of the world put it's effort into a global society based on modernization that particular little action wouldn't just send the USA spiraling down into horrible conditions but rather also Europe, Asia, Much of South America as it collapsed the global economy... I do have empathy for the African condition being the "last" part of the world to modernize, but making the case that we should all, the bulk of the world go backwards nearly a century so that Africa can reach parity quicker is nothing short of an attack on the entire first world and by parity I mean exactly what I am saying... The entire northern hemisphere returning to the conditions of 1900 so that "some" of Africa reaches 1900, it was a non negotiable attack on not just the West but most of the East as well... it's the equivalent of your unemployed neighbor stealing your atm card and tapping into your gas and power and expecting you to pay because he never paid his dues and went to college like you did, surely I would shoot that man in the head just as Qaddafi got exactly what he deserved.



You don't have empathy at all. With him wanting to move forward and being removed any chance of Africa coming
forward is all but gone without the help(control) of the west.

Also your analogy about someone stealing your atm card, how does that work?
Didn't go to college? didn't pay his dues? What are you talking about?

I don't fully agree that libya was somehow paradise but what you are displaying is a heavy western attitude, you do it our way or we take you out. Lets not forget our lives are no better off with him gone, just the banking interests the same ones that will be the death of you or your family anyway.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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Interesting Facts:



Gaddafi wasn’t going to give up. He was determined to challenge the old colonial powers.

He was convinced that Northern Ireland was very like Libya. The Catholics, he believed, were fighting a revolutionary struggle against the yoke of British imperialism. So he offered to supply them with money and arms.


Source
edit on 4-9-2014 by mekhanics because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: jude11
Just a few things he Did. Never Disputed actually:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya ­ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi's father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms ­ all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it ­ not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion ­ now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. Great Man-Made River project in Libya $27 billion.

Isn't this the way it's supposed to be?

Peace




WOW thank you for posting this. Great information. Why and how did I get so mislead. Quite sad.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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Incredible post. I just hate how people jump on the bandwagon.
I clearly remember all of the drones that chanted "get him" and that applauded his murder like it was some kind of victory. Now the majority of the people are like teenagers, following whatever trend that seems to spring up at the moment.

Where are all of those patriots now that the truth is visible???

Gaddaffi wasn't anymore of a criminal than our current and previous presidents. In fact his resume in my humble opinion out weighs anything any U.S. president has done. He wasn't a puppet, and he wasn't creating systems that only he benefits from.


What alot of people do not know, he has been in the cross hairs of the U.S. regime for quite sometime.


Africa was mutilated, castrated and left for dead while people(nations) pick at its decaying corpse. The day that giant wakes up and remember who it is and how great of a continent it is as a whole, the world is in for a rude awakening. Anyone that is under the illusion of individualism is also in for that same awakening (U.S.).

I hope his speeches and movement sparked something within the A.U. and other neighboring nations.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: douglas5

Interesting Facts:



Gaddafi wasn’t going to give up. He was determined to challenge the old colonial powers.

He was convinced that Northern Ireland was very like Libya. The Catholics, he believed, were fighting a revolutionary struggle against the yoke of British imperialism. So he offered to supply them with money and arms.


Source



Thank you for that excellent piece on Qaddafi mekhanics very interesting read it goes to show never judge the book by the cover when it came to Qaddafi



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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There is so much wrong information in this thread:

www.veteranstoday.com...

Qaddafi was a tyrant.



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