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posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 07:40 AM
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www.bbc.co.uk...

The BBC is running a vote on is Freemasonry compatible with Freemasonry.

The question is

Are Freemasonry and Christianity incompatible?

The vote is
Yes 46
No 54

At the moment , I thought you might like to change that a little. Its up to you.

I just know you will like to vote , I have posted this here just so that I can not be accused of only telling Freemasons to sway the vote.

[edit on 6-12-2004 by billmcelligott]




posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 08:03 AM
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It's a bloody stupid vote. How would someone who does not partake in masonry know wether or not it is compatible? And where is the background to this poll? Where is the argument either for or against?

I'm a Freemason and I know for a fact that the two are compatible. It's something that is a part of my life and is my belief system. How can somebody who doesn't take part in one or the other dictate to me otherwise?

I can find plenty of places within Masonic ritual which prove that Masonry walks hand in hand with Christianity - but there are those who ignore these passages and twist others to try and prove otherwise. Their opinion is based on ignorance. Mine is based on actually being there.

Polls like this are a waste of time. It's proof yet again that the BBC wastes my money and isn't worth the license fee.



posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by billmcelligott

is Freemasonry compatible with Freemasonry.


I should hope so...



And right now the vote is something like

Yes - 78

No - 452

[edit on 6-12-2004 by DasBaldDog]



posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 08:46 AM
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Why have they started the poll?



posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 09:14 AM
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It seems to be related to a couple who have a stone in there garden which has some kind of code marked on it, realating to the Templars.

Holy Grail / Templars/ Masons .

Dont ask me to explain it.

[edit on 6-12-2004 by billmcelligott]



posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 09:34 AM
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That will be the Shepherd's Monument on the Lichfield estate in England then.



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 09:43 AM
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Last time I checked

Are Freemasonry and Christianity incompatible?

Yes 822
No 9689



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 11:07 AM
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I don't think the poll will show anything particulary useful.

Just from reading in this forum there are not many poeple who actually know anything about Freemasonry. And the amount that believe hype and untrue statements in this small community is quite unbelievable.

To expand that to a nation, a contenant, a world the totals at the moment simply shows that there is too much misunderstanding.

And there is no way to determine the number of people who have posted that are actually Christian, as anyone who is not cannot really vote.

I haven't, I do not understand Christianity and do not follow it as a faith, therefore find myself in an inadequate position to place a vote. Unless I live the life of a Christian I cannot know the answer.


How many people do think have shown restraint in this poll, and not taken the opportunity to add one more voter to their opinion even if they do not really know


How many do you reckon have read it wrong a thought the question reality to if it was "compatible" rather than "incompatible" bet loads have voted the wrong way


[edit on 8/12/2004 by Bondi]



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 12:02 PM
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I'm not a mason nor am I for the organization, however I will defend them on this point. The poll is senseless. You'd have to ask masons whether or not it's compatible since they know how the organization works. To an outsider, it's a blind shot in the dark. Also, those who have resentment for the organization because they are not a part of it will say no too. The poll is garbage. I'd rather here why Christians (example: myself) do not wish to join masonry and masons discuss why they should. Therein lies the heart of the matter and there have been some valuable threads discussing it. Shelve this thread in the dusty virtual achieves and call it a day.



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 03:46 PM
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We could have a poll on whether you think the Poll is properly worded?



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 07:18 PM
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And put me down for a 'no'



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 07:27 PM
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As a Catholic, I say NO WAY.

Yes: 924
No: 11119

[edit on 8-12-2004 by invader_chris]



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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Not enough information about the inner workings of Freemasonry to make a balanced judgement to be honest. As Leveller said how can one make a decision without knowing Freemasonry. Doesn't make sense really. So i think i will abstain. Strange that people need to make these polls when they really serve no purpose.

And why would someone replicate the Tomb from Shepard's of Arcadia? And then link the inscription to a poem?
"Out of your own sweet vale Alicia vanish vanity twixt Deity and man, thou shepherdess the way."

Strange.


[edit on 8-12-2004 by Janus]



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 07:33 PM
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Are the two Incompatible:

I've got 924 Yes & 11,120 No - only a 10,200 Vote Difference!


[edit on 8-12-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 11:55 PM
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If I answer yes that means I think Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity?

And if I answer no that means I think Freemasonry is compatible with Christianity?

Is that correct?

Then by all means I will answer no.

And this also means that a lot of people think the same as me. Cool.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 03:55 AM
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since the teachings and rituals of freemasonry are based on ancient mystery religions such as Zoroastrianism(sp?), Jewish Kaballah, Egyptian Deity worship (isis, osiris, horus trinty etc) and since the overwhelming message from these ancient belief systems seems to be that salvation is through oneself and whereas Jesus teaches salvation through him then I would have to say put me down for a no.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 04:00 AM
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or is that a yes...damn I'm confused



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by nimrods son
since the teachings and rituals of freemasonry are based on ancient mystery religions such as Zoroastrianism(sp?), Jewish Kaballah, Egyptian Deity worship (isis, osiris, horus trinty etc) and since the overwhelming message from these ancient belief systems seems to be that salvation is through oneself and whereas Jesus teaches salvation through him then I would have to say put me down for a no.



Very well put nimrods son
So thats a no from me



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Quote: "overwhelming message from these ancient belief systems seems to be that salvation is through oneself and whereas Jesus teaches salvation through him".

Well is it Jesus that said this? Are you sure? Could it possibly be the Priesthood that said that Jesus said this much later on in order to have more control over the Laity?

Here - let me quote Jesus: "The Law is in Every Living Thing. You find it written in the grass, in the trees, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea, but seek it chiefly in YOURSELVES. If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is INSIDE of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to KNOW YOURSELVES, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the Sons of the Living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

-The Gospel of Thomas



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by nimrods son
these ancient belief systems seems to be that salvation is through oneself and whereas Jesus teaches salvation through him then I would have to say put me down for a no.


So Christianity and Freemasonry are compatible


I feel you mean they are not, but the poll question was are they incompatible, so by saying no you are saying they are.

Also, by taking it upon yourself to follow Jesus Christ to find salvation through him, you first go through yourself so aren't both ways the same


I get so confused when religion comes into it, so many meanings, multiple versions




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