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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
Im not sure why eveyone is so up tight here. The OP simply stated that salvation comes by believing that Jesus died for our sins. That does happen to be the overall message of the Bible. If you dont like it, dont read the bible.
As far as the claim that Jesus visited the OP, Im not going to pass judgement. My wife's grandfather was visited by an angel who told him to believe on Jesus. From that day forward, his life was changed. My brother-in-law was miraculously healed of a skeletal deformaty through prayer in Jesus' name. Ive experienced paranormal spiritual warfare myself. The fact is, things happen that cannot be explained. The OP's experience further corroborates the central theme of these events: that all things will be made subject to Jesus. Those who believe will be saved, those who do not believe have been judged already, from the foundation of the universe.
If angels, or even Jesus Himself can visit men, then what prevents Him from visiting those who seek the truth in the most remote parts of the world? God calls who He chooses, for they are His sheep and recongize His calling. It doesnt matter how geographically isolated a person may be, the gospel is spread according to God's will, not man's.
originally posted by: Rustami
a reply to: Shiloh7
2 Corinthians 5 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: Rustami
Please expound on what you mean when you say that you have been personally visited by The LORD Jesus Christ. You do realize that saying such a thing completely nullifies anything else that you have to say.
The "overall message" of the Bible, I would say, is don't sin.
The OP simply stated that salvation comes by believing that Jesus died for our sins. That does happen to be the overall message of the Bible.
I think when Jesus was saying this, according to the Gospel of John, Israel (the physical remnant at that time that represented the legacy of Israel) was being judged as he spoke, when the Jewish leaders were figuring out ways to neutralize his effect.
. . . those who do not believe have been judged already, from the foundation of the universe.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Scripture, and your Jesus visitor, both said to believe in Him and live. They said NOTHING about judging the souls of others and assuming they are lost.
BTW - what I said is true, you aren't the only one who has had visitations from Heaven. And yes .. I know something greater than judgmentalism. It's called LOVE - I know not to judge the souls others and to leave that to God.
You love God and want everyone to as well. Great. I know that fever well. Here's the thing ... (and I did the same darn thing for years) ... tossing scripture quotes out left and right doesn't bring people to God. Know what does? LOVE. The minute you judge someone, you have lost the chance to show them God's love. Only God's love will bring people to Him. That's it.
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
37 ‘Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.”
originally posted by: boymonkey74
My bet is he didn't hear Jesus but the one whoeth one shouldn'teth be namedeth. ( heck I love talking 1800's style)
You know Lucy.
Just because a voice told you it was jesus doesn't mean it was and the way you judge is more Satan like then god like.
originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
King James has been dead for almost 400 years - I think it's time christians stopped trying to talk like him.
1 Corinthians 15
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
And if Christ did not raise [back from the dead], [then] your faith is meaningless; you are still in your sins. [If this is the case] then those who already died believing in Christ are destroyed.
originally posted by: theMediator
The bible is much more a fabrication of people wanting to control others than being a book from God.
"At that time of the day, nobody was at the house. My family, my brothers plus my grandmother, they had all gone somewhere else, up the hill to do something. And I was spending time in one of the rooms of the house, alone, just reading my Bible, and after a while, I just laid out on the floor and was praying, and kind of reading the Bible, and I heard a voice speak to me, it sounded like a male voice, it was audible, and it said "Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you."
Working With Angels
While seeking more meaning for her life, she (Derek Princes wife) started reading the Bible and received a vision of Jesus Christ that led to her salvation and baptism in the Holy Spirit. Derek Prince
At age 12, his growing awareness of God led him to the Bible and he started reading it from the beginning. Halfway through Deuteronomy he decided that it was full of rules and regulations and didn’t want anything to do with it. Just as he shut the Bible he heard a voice say, “Put your hand on top of the table and pick the table up.” Ian put his hand flat on the table top and it rose, sideways off the floor. “It was an amazing power rush,” Ian explained. “Suddenly, I walked in power.”
Excerpt from Shifting Shadows of Supernatural Power
Amazingly, when I set the Bible down, it supernaturally opened to the title page of the Book of Acts ~ Kevin Basconi Dancing with Angels 2
Not long ago, the Lord gave me $200,000. I said, "Lord, what am I going to do with it? I don't need it. What did You give it to me for?" He said, "You passed my test." I said, "Passed your test? What in the world did I do to pass Your test?" He said, "You fulfilled a scripture. Tell them everywhere you go...tell them that the Bible is my test; every time they fulfill a scripture, tell them to never worry about the answers to their prayers."
Misguided Faith by Norvel Hayes.
Praying all night in the mosque, he asked God to help him. Suddenly he felt drops of oil falling on him and even smelled its fragrance, he says. He claims another time he heard an audible voice telling him to read a Bible—an abomination to a Muslim. “We would not touch a modern-day Bible,” he says. “This voice immediately put a desire in my heart. It is so vivid, so clear, so overwhelming. Still today, I could not forget that voice.”
For example, one man in a nation hostile to Christianity says he heard a voice telling him, “Find Jesus, find the gospel.” He didn’t know what Jesus was—a chair, a tree, an animal? But the voice told him exactly what city and house to go to, so he traveled for two weeks, arriving directly at the door of one of only three believers in the city.
Why Revival is Exploding Among Muslims
In the summer of 1974, when I was eight years old, I went into my bedroom after school one day to read my daily assignment in the Bible. I wanted to hurry up and finish reading the four chapters of the Gospel of John that I was to read that day, so I could get back out and play with my friends. I lay down on the bed with my Bible in my hands. As soon as my head touched the pillow, however, the Bible, the bed, my room, and even my body disappeared! I had no warning. Suddenly, the real me—the Roberts Liardon who is a spirit being and occupies this body (2 Cor. 5:1-10)—was moving through the heavens at a high rate of speed.
All I knew that afternoon in 1974 was that suddenly I was flying through the heavenlies at an unbelievable speed. I passed many things in the first heaven, then zoomed through the second heaven, and landed outside of the biggest gate I had ever seen—or have ever seen since. It was the biggest gate I had ever seen in my life. Its presence gave forth not an aura—but its own glow—its own life. I shook myself to see if I were dreaming. It had all happened so fast. But I decided it was real when I heard a voice speaking to me. A man said, "This is one of the gates." I turned around, and there stood Jesus Christ in all His glory!
Caught Up to Heaven
As I stood there in the front of the church weeping and weeping, huge weights were being lifted from my back, my life and my mind. I was literally being cleansed and purified supernaturally by the Lord Jesus Christ as I was repenting of my sins, and I was filled with such tremendous love, joy and peace.
The Lord spoke two things to me there. The first was that every Word in the Bible was true, and the second was that I would never die. I was floating after that for eight years, and the Bible came alive to me and the words leaped off of the pages and literally exploded into my brain. Source
The very next day 6 PM came and no Lord. I waited till 6:05 and began to wonder. At 06:07 I began to pray. God spoke to me and said, "You have no need I appear to you. You now know all I ever did say and ever will say is what the Bible says. The Bible is My Holy Word. It is YOUR responsibility to read the Bible and find out what it says."
To this day, if I have a vision or appearance, and IT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE BIBLE, I reject it. Period. God stays in line with the Holy Word. Jesus Himself said the scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35, Matthew 5:18.) If you want God to speak to you, read your Bible. The Bible IS God talking to you. And yes, stick with the 1611 King James version. Spend time in praise and worship so you can discern what the Bible is saying.
OUR NEED TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP HIM
Yeshua began His answer: "If you had read My Book you would have known all the answers."
"In fact, everything that My children need to know about how God thinks and works and judges and rewards, either before or after the Cross, is already in My Book. That is why I commanded mankind to ‘engrave My Words upon their hearts,’ and to pass them along from generation to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just Who I AM, the Messiah, their one hope of Salvation, their Most High God."
Dr. Richard Eby dies, visits heaven, and returns with a startling message
Your faith would not be able to bring about righteousness in you, and so the futility of it.
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Corinthians15
Originally posted by Rustami
Jesus is definitely all about the truth and when following or saying someone says something THEY did'nt (a lie/false testimony~not the truth) for whatever the reason YOU receive the same measure you/follower "judge" by
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”