Russian Threatens to a Drop Atomic Bomb on Ukraine... Say what?

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posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica




Just stupid comments from a desperate kiev govt. . .


And yet it has been shown that they would use nukes over Crimea if need be.


“The Russian Federation reserves the right to utilize nuclear weapons in response to the utilization of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, and also in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation involving the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is under threat.”

It was this military doctrine that Lavrov was referring to at the press conference this week. As quoted above, Lavrov began by emphasizing that Moscow sees Crimea as an integral part of Russian territory. He then stated that Moscow has a military doctrine that “very clearly” outlines how Moscow would respond to threats to its territorial integrity. The military doctrine “very clearly” states that the “Russian Federation reserves the right to utilize nuclear weapons” in these situations.


thediplomat.com...

Sounds like Russia is prepared to use them if needed, but they have such a bad ass military ( at least some try to make you believe ) why would they need to use nukes?




posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: GargIndia




The West now talks of pumping another 17B into Ukraine after already giving 19B. This is war financing on a massive level. Where is this money coming from? What is IMF - a money printing machine?


So sending money to help rebuild a part of the country that the separatist helped destroy is wrong how?



Please learn something before posting.


Well, that is good advice are you going to start following it also?



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Psynic
Yes, Rashism seems to me appropriate word for this kind of "national pride"
It is both reminiscent to Fashism and yet sounding somewhat gentle in Russian language

You may not understand the rest of the text, but it is an apology to the current Oligarchy-mafia regime from the
point of view of "simple girl"



No, you're quite right. I don't understand the rest of the text.

Rashism and Fashism are trashisms.



posted on Sep, 3 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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"Rebuild" : you are joking. The money is to pay for war against Russia. Ukraine is bankrupt and has no money to even pay salary of soldiers.

This is a West's war against Russia. Where it is being fought is just incidental.

We shall see how the war progresses. I want to warn readers though that it will be bad, very bad. The brain-washed nationalists of Ukraine have no idea what they are getting into.

The globalists plan to use every type of weapon against Russia. Now it is upto Russia how it responds.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 03:53 AM
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originally posted by: lightedhype
So i guess random people from the Ukrainian government making posts on facebook counts as fact now?

Sorcha Faal indeed.....the claims these Ukrainian guys make are absolutely ludicrous. Nobody is using tactical nukes in Europe anytime soon.

I thought the USGov were the masters of fear mongering....sheesh. These people should not be allowed to have Facebook accounts ffs. Worse than teenaged girls with their drivel.



Have you ever heard of clean nukes? Small nuclear devices that do not spew harmful radiation into the atmosphere? It just leaves a big hole were the town used to be.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Small tactical nukes and radiation bombs are available which do not cause a mushroom cloud the way the bigger ones do.

The objective is to kill troops and disable equipment but buildings are left intact.

There may be more than 10K such weapons in the possession of different countries. Russia may also decide to use its nukes if the going gets too tough for it.



posted on Sep, 4 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Small tactical nukes and radiation bombs are available which do not cause a mushroom cloud the way the bigger ones do.

The objective is to kill troops and disable equipment but buildings are left intact.

There may be more than 10K such weapons in the possession of different countries. Russia may also decide to use its nukes if the going gets too tough for it.



A neutron bomb still has a blast. Tanks subject to neutron bombs cannot be occupied for a period of time because the metal in the tanks becomes radioactive by the neutron flux. Plus all of the electronics would be destroyed. The main purpose of the neutron bomb is to lessen the effects on your own troops. If you want to destroy hardened targets you still need to use a bomb with a significant blast like in this Russia-Ukraine war scenario:




posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Adaluncatif

Russia has no plans of using nukes in Ukraine.

But nothing can be said about evil NATO. They may have such plans.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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An exploded nuke does not leave any evidence as to who detonated it.

If a nuke explodes in Kiev, the reason will be USA.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



Just stupid comments from a desperate kiev govt. . .


* I stand by this statement.



Who's more insane? (and Twiztid) ?
‘Inmates fully in charge of asylum’: Kiev threatens to restart nuclear weapons program



Kiev’s promise to restart its nuclear weapons program if it doesn't get enough support from the West is completely insane, be it real or just an empty threat, political commentator Daniel Patrick Welch told RT.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey says:


“If we cannot protect Ukraine today, if the world doesn’t help us, we will have to go back to the development of nuclear weapons, which will protect us from Russia,” Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey said in an interview with Ukrainian TV, also claiming that NATO members have already started supplying Kiev with conventional weapons



--> Going nuclear in a DESTABILIZED country amidst civil war - NOW Ukraine govt officials are THREATENING!!?

lol are they turning into North Korea?
edit on 15-9-2014 by SurrenderingAmerica because: bee bobbity boop



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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originally posted by: GargIndia
An exploded nuke does not leave any evidence as to who detonated it.

If a nuke explodes in Kiev, the reason will be USA.

If delivered by missile or aircraft, it should be relatively easy to trace its origin as intelligence collection platforms would take notice. If delivered on-site by non-military means it would be difficult but not impossible. There is still a good chance, given an appropriate investigation, that the source can be identified through a combination of forensic analysis of debris and nuclear composition on-site with traditional investigative and intelligence analysis methods; however, the former technique seems to be still in development though showing promise.

Nuclear bomb debris holds clues to who planted it

Suppose that a terrorist group manages to get hold of nuclear material, make a bomb and set it off in a city centre somewhere. Will the fragments that are left leave clues to who did it, or where the fissile material came from? Tests on residues from the world's first nuclear explosion suggest they might.
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To investigate what information might be available, physicist Albert Fahey at the US National Institute of Standards and Technology in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and colleagues examined the elements, and the ratios of various isotopes, in debris from the first ever nuclear test, carried out on 16 July 1945 at the Trinity site in the New Mexico desert.
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Their preliminary results are proving promising. "You can sort of begin to figure out what elements were in the device and potentially be able to trace them to their source," Fahey says.

One basic fact his team hoped to show could be gleaned from the trinitite was whether the weapon was powered by plutonium or uranium. As some countries produce bombs made of one or the other but not both, this could help narrow the list of possible sources. The Trinity bomb was made of plutonium, and Fahey's team found this element in quantities of up to 400 parts per billion in the trinitite.

A potentially more interesting question is whether a fragment could be traced to a specific plant, based on the ratio of the plutonium isotopes it contains. Knowing this might help identify its origin, and prevent more material passing into terrorist hands.
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In the parts of the rock where plutonium was found in high concentration, the researchers did find traces of uranium isotopes, as they had hoped. Their measurements weren't precise enough to pinpoint the material to a particular mine, but they say a more detailed analysis might yield this information.

Metals are traded internationally, so knowing only where material in a bomb was mined would not necessarily tell you where a tamper was built or who constructed it, warns Tom Bielefeld of Harvard University, who studies nuclear security.

But Bielefeld recognises that these kinds of clues could prove important when combined with traditional intelligence. "You need to really gather all the information you can get," he says. "It's really a big puzzle and every clue may be valuable." The work is also "an important contribution to a body of literature that's very sparse", he adds.

Actual academic paper: Postdetonation nuclear debris for attribution
edit on 9/14/2014 by AllSourceIntel because: spelling & grammar



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:07 AM
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There won't be any nukes being lobbed by aircraft, missiles, subs, trains, 'star wars' or any other possible methods.


The best weapon is Biological. Keeps infrastructure



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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Well Ukraine have allegedly come out saying if the west won't help them - they will restart their nuclear weapons program.

I wonder if Ukraine signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty?

Ukraine threatens to reactivate nuclear program

Inmates running the asylum - Ukraine threat


Ukrainian News Source

Ukrainian News Agency
Minister of Defense of Ukraine Valerii Heletei has claimed Russia's threat Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons use.
He has said this at a press-conference.
"I am drawing attention to Russia's threatening Ukraine with the use of tactical nuclear weapons," he noted.
In the current developments, Ukraine is relying on NATO member states' weapons delivery, in the first place, from the United States and Great Britain, the Ukrainian defense minister stressed.
If the assistance is not provided, Ukraine will have to resume developing its own nuclear weapons, he emphasized.
As Ukrainian News earlier reported, Heletei stated the anti-terrorist operation had moved to military confrontation with Russia.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:48 AM
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If a nuke detonates it is because the NWO WANTS it to detonate...

All countries are pawns and do the NWO's bidding,...especially the nuclear countries...

nuf said...





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