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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Points he makes.
(1) Protection, in what world do you live in where you are on constant vigilance ..ie..sleeping, having sex..etc..
(2) Access to guns, are your guns just lying around for you to grab it or are you a responsible gun owner who makes sure their children can't take it or a criminal..like locking it up.
(3) The right to protect against your own government..made sense when you were evenly armed..but now you are outgunned and simply don't have the organization to group together to attack a well oiled machine. Who would lead..without solid leadership and organization..it would be like picking off fish in a barrel.
More points he made but I suggest watching it.
originally posted by: riffraff
The only truth in the whole 15 minute bit was when he admitted to doing drugs "like a champ".
And you expect this to change any minds?
I cant be undecided on this subject any more. I live near Chicago. We have one of the highest firearm incident rates in the country. And that is a direct result of local governments continuous stream of anti-gun legislation. Years ago then Mayor Daley fought for and won the votes for his "gun free zone" legislation. Chicago is, according to the legislation, a gun free zone. Uh huh...
I have been saying this for years and I will continue until someone proves otherwise. You can not solve this problem with legislation.. Legislation does not work on criminals. Criminals break the law. That is why we call them criminals. If you passed a hundred laws today making every single weapon you can think of illegal, tomorrow there will be just as many illegal weapons on the streets as there are today. Why? Because the only people who will abide by that legislation, by default, are the law abiding citizens. And they are not the ones out there shooting each other in the streets because their drug deal went bad, or someone wore the wrong color sneakers. Those are the criminals.
I don't know how many people have actually had a gun pointed at them or fired at them. I can tell you from experience, its not fun when the only gun there is one the other guy has. I have had a conceal carry license in the past and I am applying for one again now. I don't particularly like carrying, but there are times when I feel it is prudent to take whatever precautions I can to safeguard myself and my family.
I can honestly say I hope I never have to use a weapon to defend myself or my family. But if I have to, I will. And I wont regret my actions. I have already made peace with myself and made my decisions. In the heat of the moment when seconds count is not the time to have the philosophical debate with yourself regarding your ability to pull the trigger. You have to have made that decision before you ever picked up the gun. If the situation calls for deadly force, your decision is already made.
Personal protection aside, lets not forget what the second amendment is really about. Its not about hunting. Its not about defending your home. Its about protecting yourself from government run amok. People always focus on terminology like 'assault rifle' as a reason to ban weapons. Why do you need an assault rifle? Assault, is a verb. It is an action. It is not an object. But when you all a rifle and assault rifle, well, that's something else. It sounds like it should be banned. So, many cities did exactly that.
Then they found out that most, and in some cases, all of their police officers owned those some assault rifles. So how did they solve that problem? They reclassified those particular rifles as "personal protection rifles". How convenient.
The bottom line is really very simple. If you don't want guns or don't like guns, don't have guns. If you are concerned about crime, find a real solution. Don't waste precious time and resources passing ineffective legislation and distracting people with pseudo-solutions that only exacerbate the situation. That is not solving the problem, that is becoming part of the problem. I agree that something has to be done about violent crime. But I know that disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer. Most self defense instructors will tell you the best way to become a victim is to look like one. Criminals are predators and they look for
the weakest of the herd. It is impossible to look like a victim when you are carrying lethal force, are skilled in its use, and are prepared to use it if necessary.
originally posted by: HauntWok
Here's the thing, you second amendment supporters have failed.
Your chance to prove that you were with the citizens of this nation against tyranny died in Ferguson.
You all failed.
All of your arguments are null and void. You can't be bothered to protect your own countrymen, you can't argue that point anymore.
Not one militia group presented themselves at Ferguson. You failed to protect the people from a tyrannical government. You no longer have that excuse for your arms.
You all failed, remember that.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: MarlinGrace
I saw two cats try to cross a road once.... not one, but two vehicles hit them at 90 mph.
There was a huge cloud of fur.
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Jim Jefferies on gun control...funny and actually makes a lot of sense.
Watch entire video.
I would say that the majority just "LIKE" guns and some actually use it for the purpose they wanted on for..protection.
Why would you need an arsenal if you didn't just love guns..if it was for protection one would suffice.