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Progressive/Democrat goal: control your eating based on environmentalism

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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Do we have more obese citizens today than we did in the 1950's?

Have all of the government programs to teach us about nutrition had any good effects?

Why bother with it when the result seems to be the opposite of their intention?

This idea would no doubt help destroy the environment, judging by previous results.

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: beezzer

Then don't follow it.

Good lord, if this is what the right is going to complain about this election cycle?

This is going to be the funniest election in years!

I can see the commercials now, giant tub of lard mowing down on a triple cheeseburger complaining about the food pyramid.


I could care less until the food pyramid becomes a law like it has in the schools.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Yeah, just until those "recommendations" become "mandates".



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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I think concerns are justified, personally.

Who would have thought that having health insurance would be mandatory?



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

No they just want u to eat GMO.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Yes, because over a hundred years of recommendations are going to change to mandates now.

Cmon, is this what you all are gonna run with this election cycle?
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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It's not law, only the schools that participate in the government program that is completely voluntary, have to abide by rules.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Ten years ago, I would have laughed at anyone who said that health insurance would be mandated.

It starts as "suggestions" . . . . . . .



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
So now we're looking at them telling us what we can and cannot buy


We ARE??? No one's telling me what I can and cannot buy.



I'll shop and cook as I like.


Exactly. So, what's the complaint?



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw
from your link:

Here it’s asking you to weigh the value of the environment versus nutrition and what price you place on each. It’s not science, it’s values judgment.”

“The DGAC’s shift from diet and nutrition to environmental issues will increase food costs for all Americans at a time when consumers are already struggling with higher prices at the grocery store,”


It isn't a value judgement - it's science. And if you think something like this is going to raise food costs - wait until it becomes more difficult or impossible to grow food. All we need is to lose one or two bread baskets and we're in big trouble

Of course, first you'd have to believe that we are in fact having a negative effect on the environment - and climate. We all know how that conversation is going to go :-)

I know these aren't as trustworthy as the Blaze - but oh well:

Livestock production may have a bigger impact on the planet than anything else. A new study shows how the effects vary from country to country — and points the way toward a more sustainable future

Research from Cambridge and Aberdeen universities estimates greenhouse gases from food production will go up 80% if meat and dairy consumption continues to rise at its current rate.

Adopting a 'demitarian' diet would lead to a 25-40% reduction in nitrogen emissions from agriculture in Europe, report shows

Millennials who care about the environment should put their money where their mouths are and stop eating meat

How Meat Contributes to Global Warming

Greenhouse gases caused by meat production will go up 80% if meat and dairy consumption continues to rise

I understand that there's a certain percentage of the population that doesn't like government and detests being told what to do. There might come a time when food becomes such an issue that we'll look back on these times and wish we hadn't been so childish

Of course, it could all just be a doom porn conspiracy to tax or otherwise subjugate the entire population of the world. We'll probably be just fine

:-)

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Iamthatbish

I understand why you want to make your own choices, lets just stop subsidizing the food that's killing us. That would eliminate added fees to the consumer.

Yes - absolutely, and it affects everyone, not just people in the USA
America’s deadliest export

The agriculture lobby is a powerful force in the US and it has used its influence on government to create some perverse agricultural policies. A 2013 report by the US Public Interest Research Group, ‘Apples to Twinkies: Comparing Federal Subsidies of Fresh Produce and Junk Food’, found that since 1995, high-fructose corn syrup, corn-starch and soy oils (all commonly used in junk food) have been subsidized by the US taxpayer to the tune of over $19 billion, without an equivalent subsidy for fruit and vegetables.

The resulting cheap junk products are exported throughout the world.

Obesity now kills more people worldwide than hunger, but the political response couldn’t be more different: while emaciated bodies elicit calls to do something, the obesity crisis induces diatribes against the ‘nanny state’. The government, we are told, shouldn’t meddle in our lives. Meanwhile, corporations are free to meddle as much as they want – to subject us to manipulative, pervasive and sophisticated marketing.

The US spends untold sums on the war on drugs, yet junk food kills more people than crack coc aine and heroin combined. Billions of dollars and whole careers are spent researching cures for diseases, yet today’s biggest problem is an ailment humanity has inflicted upon itself.



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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: ketsuko
So now we're looking at them telling us what we can and cannot buy


We ARE??? No one's telling me what I can and cannot buy.



I'll shop and cook as I like.


Exactly. So, what's the complaint?


Check out MyCart. It's the one that's graded least effective to modify SNAP behavior, but it's their favorite plan likely because it forces grocery stores to buy all new carts and all customers will then be forced to use them. It also forces receipts to be redesigned and reprogrammed which will likely be done for all customers, not just the SNAP customer base of a store.

So, despite it being least effective, that's likely why they like it. It will bleed over onto everyone, not just SNAP.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: kaylaluv


First, after reading your link, all I see are guidelines and recommendations - not laws that involve penalties or jail time.


Ah yes.

It always starts with the old "guidelines and recommendations".

Then progresses to "warnings and strenuous recommendations".

And before you know it.... "regulations and laws and penalties".

Then ....

Obama and anything Obama has a big problem with "credibility".

He simply can't be trusted.

If you like your food guidelines you can keep your food guidelines !


Exactly the point I was trying to make.

They start with suggestions and end up with laws

I am appalled how many of the posters think it is ok to legislate what we eat just because there are obese people in the US



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: xuenchen
Ah yes.

It always starts with the old "guidelines and recommendations".


It started with guidelines and recommendations in 1894! How intrusive has it become in the interim? More fast food places than ever before. Sugar is in our food and can be labeled as MANY things. It's everywhere! Our produce is RAMPANT with deadly pesticides. And we're eating the hair of humans in our food... Boy, they've really cracked down on us, huh?


Have you seen what they are serving at schools that passes for lunch?

My daughter is a teacher and said it is really affecting the poor students. It seems many of them this is their only meal all day and seconds are not allowed.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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I see this and I scratch my head, wondering at the hypocrisy. I eat pizza twice a month on Fridays, we have a Papa Murphy's take and bake pizza franchise near us. I noticed last week that they now accept EBT for payment.

So I see that it is okay to make recommendations on what the general public should eat, to include public school lunches, but let us go ahead and extend government benefits to what is essentially fast food. I don't get it. This pizza may be better than some, but it is still pizza. People on benefits could still have this every night until the benefits run out, right?

If the government cared so much about the general public, I feel they would limit EBT to beans, rice and vegetable purchases. This is the part of the population that they can truly control, right? Lower income folks are struggling with obesity, so we should help them out, right? Except that would not work, because then we are denying these folks the basic right to buy what they want to eat, right? Same, same.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Why? Why should the government "care" what we eat?

We are fully capable of determining our own nutritional requirements.

Who cares what people eat?




Exactly!

It is not the governments business what people choose to eat.

The people who think it is don't know what life will be like if everything
the progressives want
(control of your entire life so that the average person can not make a mistake, it will be illegal to do anything you want that isn't government approved, even to what you eat and drink for breakfast)
the progressives get.
Life will be hell for the non-politicians while the politicians dine on ribs and drink alcohol by the gallon.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
You know what? I'm making my own springrolls tonight. They're loaded with vegetables. We spent about one third of our grocery budget in the produce section in order to do this today.

We typically shop like this every week and spend nearly all of our grocery budget on fresh foods and cook it from scratch for ourselves.

Despite this, we carry extra weight.

So now we're looking at them telling us what we can and cannot buy and they will be looking at sending us with carts that will and won't tell us what we should buy on top of that so if I drop a cryo-vac pork loin in my cart the cart will spend the rest of trip yelling at me that I "have too much meat" even though I plan to cut it into pieces and freeze it so it will last me several months or more.

I am sick and tired of this government. I don't care how many other people in the world are fat. I don't care if I'm overweight. They can just butt the eff out of my life and leave me alone. I'll shop and cook as I like.


And you know that for people like you and me. I exercise 1 hour a day on my exercise bike, eat a very well balanced diet loaded with veggis from my garden - and have gained nearly 1 pound a year for ages.

But they will come and put a monitor on me to check that I am exercising if the progressives
get their way.

They will also monitor my shopping and not consider that I buy for some very underweight people in my family. Yes, my family has genetically underweight and overweight, and we all eat together. I even had a MD try and accuse me of not feeding my daughter because she was so skinny, and she ate the same thing we all did and I gained my pound a year.

Progressives/Democrats have no compassion for the individual, they just want to control everyone the same, so as not to be an "ism".



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: beezzer

Then don't follow it.

Good lord, if this is what the right is going to complain about this election cycle?

This is going to be the funniest election in years!

I can see the commercials now, giant tub of lard mowing down on a triple cheeseburger complaining about the food pyramid.


We are complaining about facism

About the "we know better than you do how to run your life" attitude of the current administration

not only do they think they know what is good for all of us, they don't live by the same rules they

want to impose on everyone else.

Obama says we all need to tighten our belts, while spending 44 million over 6 years on vacations.

We all need to be healthier, while secretly smoking and eating really awful junk food when Michele isn't around.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: beezzer

Yes, because over a hundred years of recommendations are going to change to mandates now.

Cmon, is this what you all are gonna run with this election cycle?


We are going to run with:

the Democrats think they know what is best for everyone else

and to insure we comply, they have already instituted the NSA,TSA,IRS to watch our every word, our every move, and all our money for us - so generous

and to insure children eat correctly they will limit school lunches to a starvation diet

The Democrats don't think that the "little people" the "average person" knows how to run their life better than the government does and the government should tell us all how to manage every tiny aspect of our lives.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: ketsuko

It's not law, only the schools that participate in the government program that is completely voluntary, have to abide by rules.


And my school teacher daughter sees children starving because of schools abiding by the rules.

She says the amount of food given the children is ridiculously inadequate, leaving children hungry, with low blood sugar, and unable to concentrate.



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