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originally posted by: FraternitasSaturni
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: bjarneorn
They have the latest generation of Russian T-72BM tanks which are only used by Russia and have never been exported to any country.
I know I know .. all you want to talk about is nukes and you wont be happy until Russia uses some.
No they dont have the "latest generation of Russian T-72BM" lol...
You're so anti-russia it makes my stomach turn... I think if people decide to be anti-something, at least let them be anti-something they know at least something about.
This variant, distinguished by the prominent Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) arrangement - the boxes on the turret front - is commonly referred to by Western sources as the T-72BM.
It is operated by the Russian Army in large numbers, but crucially it is not known to have been exported or operated outside of Russia.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Completely false. The majority of Ukrainians wanted to be European. Even East Ukraine voted for it in every place the Rebels did not prevent voting to occur.
A new poll shows that the vast majority of Ukrainians feel that no outside country has a right to be involved in decisions about their country's future.
The U.S.-based Gallup poll said its April survey of 1,400 Ukrainians, outside of the Crimean peninsula annexed the month before by Russia, showed 78 percent opposed to outside interference.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Completely false. The majority of Ukrainians wanted to be European. Even East Ukraine voted for it in every place the Rebels did not prevent voting to occur.
Completely right, you`re just spewing Western propaganda.
Poll: Ukrainians Want Freedom from Outside Intervention
A new poll shows that the vast majority of Ukrainians feel that no outside country has a right to be involved in decisions about their country's future.
The U.S.-based Gallup poll said its April survey of 1,400 Ukrainians, outside of the Crimean peninsula annexed the month before by Russia, showed 78 percent opposed to outside interference.
www.voanews.com...
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Completely false. The majority of Ukrainians wanted to be European. Even East Ukraine voted for it in every place the Rebels did not prevent voting to occur.
Completely right, you`re just spewing Western propaganda.
Poll: Ukrainians Want Freedom from Outside Intervention
A new poll shows that the vast majority of Ukrainians feel that no outside country has a right to be involved in decisions about their country's future.
The U.S.-based Gallup poll said its April survey of 1,400 Ukrainians, outside of the Crimean peninsula annexed the month before by Russia, showed 78 percent opposed to outside interference.
www.voanews.com...
Maybe you should actually read your source. They want the ability to decide themselves, that doesn't mean they have not decided. They don't want to be FORCED to be European any more than they want to be FORCED to be Russian.
From the same Poll ...
Do you think the following country has played a positive or negative role.
Poland:
Positive - 51.4%
Negative - 14.5%
European Union:
Positive - 49.5
Negative - 22.7
Russia:
Positive - 15.6
Negative - 66.4
They want closer ties with Europe, and to distance themselves from Russia.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
I just posted poll data. They want Russia to leave them alone, and they want closer ties to Europe. They don't want any country to come in and tell them what to do .. like Russia is doing. That's why the Russian opinion is so negative, and the European is positive.
No, the problem is Russia isn't arming the rebels ... they don't have jet fighters, and only had "one" anti-aircraft battery. They don't have tanks, or artillery. Nor do they have missiles.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Ukrainian army has been encircled lots of times at different places the last few months, even large groups (confirmed by Kiev themselves). They have abandoned/surrendered lots of heavy military equipment and those have been picked up the Separatists.
originally posted by: FraternitasSaturni
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Ukrainian army has been encircled lots of times at different places the last few months, even large groups (confirmed by Kiev themselves). They have abandoned/surrendered lots of heavy military equipment and those have been picked up the Separatists.
Let them be... with some luck, they'll find Ukrainian rebels with T-90s... since Russia sends them their best tech. Or the T-90 SM... lol
But they will see T-80s... thing is... Ukraine already had T-80s since the 90s... and take a look at that picture.
With luck they'll see the rebels with T-95s...
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Ukrainian army has been encircled lots of times at different places the last few months, even large groups (confirmed by Kiev themselves). They have abandoned/surrendered lots of heavy military equipment and those have been picked up the Separatists.
originally posted by: BobAthome
"Canada is interested in joining a NATO joint expeditionary force of at least 10000 troops that is being created to bolster the alliance's eastern flank
expeditionary force?
havent heard that phrase since ,,ohh ww one.
expeditionary force ,, what is this 1914 or 2014?