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Ukraine crisis: T-72 tank shoots hole in Russian denial

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posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: BaconNeggs2
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The Kiev Junta financed by western bankers can scream all they want.
Russia will not be bullied and Russia will not allow NATO and US rope to slowly strangle them at some point.

Red line is Ukraine.


Your funny like Russia could match the forces of 28 countries. The west doesnt care about Ukraine if they did Russian troops would have already been removed from Ukraine. What they are concerned with is the instability Russia is creating by turning itself into a rogue nation. Looks like Putin didnt learn anything from the collapse of the USSR and destined to repeat it, Lets hope Putin isnt totally insane and try to attack a NATO member than we will have a huge problem Because than the full force of NATO hits Russia. And that only leaves two choices Russian military being destroyed or Nuclear war. Both options bad for Russia and one for the rest of us.




posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:09 AM
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Novorossia voluntarily joined Russia in 1654, 150 years before the foundation of the United States. with regard to T72 tanks their gave the zionfascistjunta Hungary and several tanks as trophies captured army of Novorossia

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posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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these are all serious battle tanks.

i cant believe people think theres a major difference. they are serious battle tools, one model doesnt really matter against another. they blow buildings up and cars and people, they are ALL very dangerous!



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr




Your funny like Russia could match the forces of 28 countries. The west doesnt care about Ukraine if they did Russian troops would have already been removed from Ukraine.


are you friggin serious.....the people that play these war games do not care about the people of the world...period...and yes that includes you and me...

war means hell on earth for pretty much everyone except those that call the shots ...

you must really think that russia/putin is stupid and will get railroaded ....things like this do not happen overnight and you can bet that this is a well thought out game of chess.....



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: dragonridr




Your funny like Russia could match the forces of 28 countries. The west doesnt care about Ukraine if they did Russian troops would have already been removed from Ukraine.


are you friggin serious.....the people that play these war games do not care about the people of the world...period...and yes that includes you and me...

war means hell on earth for pretty much everyone except those that call the shots ...

you must really think that russia/putin is stupid and will get railroaded ....things like this do not happen overnight and you can bet that this is a well thought out game of chess.....


Well at this point i do think Putin is stupid hes accomplished exactly opposite his goals. Hes set the international community against him and destroyed Russian economy and pushed Ukraine further away from his sphere of influence. Has other Eastern bloc countries massing troops on the Russian border. He got Crimea out the deal but now cant afford to take of it as its economy is gone and Russia is unable to provide the support it needs. Inflation is going to cause starvation in Russia All an all Putins been an idiot. So if there was some cabal planning the destruction of Russia let me sayits working perfectly thanks to Putins missteps.
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posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

fair enough.....




Well at this point i do think Putin is stupid hes accomplished exactly opposite his goals.


i dont suppose you could tell me what Putin's goals are ?

and please let me know how you came to having this knowledge ?



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Honestly I'm surprised that is all they can find. If I was Putin, the second the pro NATO leadership assumed control of Ukraine, I would have sent boatloads of military gear to the pro Russian forces.

The USA does it all the time.

We are ready to go to war over one tank?

No pro NATO leadership took control. The former leader ordered citizens killed, and then ran to Russia after stealing tons of money. After he left Parliament legally voted him out of office, and then elections took place with a new President voted in by the people .. including East Ukraine where the rebels allowed people to vote.


Ok flat out calling you a Liar here!

The former leader did NOT order people killed that person was a member of Ukraine fatherland party
Called Sergei Pashinsky.

1citizensopinion.wordpress.com...

Leaked calls between Estonia and uk also highlight who realy did it,not the previous the leader!

edition.cnn.com...

Why are you trying to deceive the members on this site? Are you ignorant to these facts and if so why the hell don't you do some research before?

Your comment about the previous leader ordering people killed shows you can not be trusted to speak the truth,so in future any other comment by you can treated with the respect it deserves,none!

Don't you find it strange that the sniper killings have been swept under the carpet? Media has left it alone and the new government have not arrested anyone

That reason is a fatherland member ordered this with connections in the new government,and the reason he did this was the protest was stalling and blood on the streets was needed,it worked as well

For that reason alone the new government in Ukraine had blood on its hands even before it became official,and if truth came out it wouldn't be a government



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: dragonridr

fair enough.....




Well at this point i do think Putin is stupid hes accomplished exactly opposite his goals.


i dont suppose you could tell me what Putin's goals are ?

and please let me know how you came to having this knowledge ?


I will chime in on this one...at least one goal.
He undoubtedly wants Russia to reclaim superpower status and simple logic would dictate the knowledge. Does he want Soviet empire status? I don't know, only he and those closest to him would know I suppose. Other goals? I could and do assume one is to mitigate the spread of NATO further upon its borders and if at all possible, push NATO, or at least its bases and equipment back.



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword

One person's opinion, even if that is her opinion, does not truth make. It's funny how when a Western diplomat says something you dislike you ignore it and call them lies, and as soon as they say something you agree with it's all truth. Who ordered the special forces units to where the protesters were?

Don't want to answer that do you ...



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Whereismypassword

One person's opinion, even if that is her opinion, does not truth make. It's funny how when a Western diplomat says something you dislike you ignore it and call them lies, and as soon as they say something you agree with it's all truth. Who ordered the special forces units to where the protesters were?

Don't want to answer that do you ...


#blameputin

I couldn't resist



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel

#BlameObama

Seriously though, can anyone provide a single piece of evidence the current President was involved?



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No. At least not at the moment. I suppose there is a chance maybe if I dug around but I do not care to because I doubt I will find it. Too much mis/disinformation on both sides anyway, hard to know cold hard facts without being in the loop.

*Sigh* Sometimes I miss my TS//SCI clearance with its access to information and a team of analysts at my disposal help weed through that information and have rolling timelines, documentation, and what not on hand at a moments notice.



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel

So no evidence ... but it's true. Even if the old President did not order it, or have any responsibility, there's no evidence the current one did. Just a red herring.



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:53 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: AllSourceIntel

#BlameObama

Seriously though, can anyone provide a single piece of evidence the current President was involved?


NATO commander says US troops may be deployed to Europe over Ukrainian crisis

US must explain CIA chief’s Kiev visit: Lavrov

US considers offering military help to Ukraine – Kerry advisor

US runs processes in Ukraine since very start - President Putin

Meet the Americans Who Put Together the Coup in Kiev

Joe Biden's Son Is Now On The Board Of One Of Ukraine's Biggest Gas Conglomerates


Dozens of FBI, CIA agents in Kiev 'assisting Ukraine security'


. . . Plus all of the speeches Barrack Hussein Obama gave over the ukraine situation




Bottom line: U.S. coup failed in Ukraine.
edit on 2-9-2014 by SurrenderingAmerica because: add image



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:54 AM
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You can't even be bothered to watch the video with your own eyes showing a Ukraine fatherland MP being stopped in his car and the boot opened to reveal a silenced weapon in it!

Who said it was the current president who ordered it I said it was the fatherland member

The protest wasn't all flowers and smiles it was very dangerous to the police with molotovs beings used and pot meet kettle didn't ferguson protests have more than just the police enforcing the law?

You ignoring the facts and attacking the poster is just another underhanded way you operate here

I'm not pro Russian,I'm pro facts and the facts show a fatherland member with a weapon in his car boot and BBC and Guardian reported that shots were fired from the direction of a protester controlled hotel

Your hatred of Russian introduced from years of brainwashing by your media has blinded you from the truth like a few on this site-

IF this person clearly caught on film just before the sniper killings is not a fatherland member then why havnt they arrests him? You can clearly see his face and car number plate and two others in the car but another person who may have been the killer had his face hidden

There you go,there is a good bet this video clip shows who organised the sniper and bought a weapon into the city,but the media won't touch it with a barge pole and the new government won't investigate



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
Who said it was the current president who ordered it I said it was the fatherland member

So what does it have to do with the current President then. I am truly baffled.



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 04:03 AM
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Here are the fatherland members who are now in key roles in government

www.theguardian.com...

The fatherland party killed civilians with a sniper to ignite the protest and oust the last government


Why you baffled? Have a read and educate yourself



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword

Who are you talking to?

Did I miss this video?



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword

I am baffled how this has any bearing on the legally elected new President that was put in power and even Eastern Ukraine's overwhelmingly voted for him.

The will of the people is being followed. The riots were a direct result of the corruption in the old government. Even Eastern Ukraine's, who are more favorable towards Russia, did not like the old government and the meddling of Russia.



posted on Sep, 2 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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Occam your head is clearly in the sand and you don't want to see the truth

If you can't see why fatherland party with members in the new government cabinet benefitted from the sniper killings they organised and had a party member bring the weapon into the protestor zone then you are ignoring the truth because of your hatred for Russia

Lots of governments are corrupt,the protest was valid but was stalling that's why fatherland organised the killings to further their political agenda and oust the last government

These killing were pointed directly at the last government so it's not surprising that any election right after them would bring in far right parties who shouldn't have any power over anyone let alone the chance to effect a whole country

So let's clear this up for you as your rather slow on the uptake

fatherland member is filmed bringing into the protest area a silenced weapon in the boot of his car with three other people before the mass murder

We clearly see his face and car number plate

Mass murder is blamed on last leader who flees the country saying there were assassination attempts on him and he fled for his safety

New legit elections take place and fatherland party members get cabinet posts

Now those legit elections would give opposite results if the truth came out that fatherland killed and used this to further thier political agenda in Ukraine




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