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Russia to perform aerial observation over Germany - UK to perform aerial observation over Russia

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posted on Aug, 31 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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Open Skies - Planned observation missions

A group of Russian military inspectors will make observation flights over the territory of Germany
MOSCOW, September 01, /ITAR-TASS/. A group of British military inspectors will make observation flights over the territory of Russia within the frames of the Open Skies Treaty starting on Monday, a high-ranking Russian military official said.
Ruslan Shishin, an acting head of the Russian National Centre for Reducing Nuclear Threat, said that British inspectors will make observation flights over the territory of Russia between September 1 and 5, flying Swedish reconnaissance aircraft SAAB-340B.
He added that the flights would be conducted along earlier agreed routes and Russian specialists on board the aircraft will accompany the British inspectors controlling the use of surveillance equipment as well as observation of the treaty’s provisions.
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A group of Russian military inspectors will make observation flights over the territory of Germany within the frames of the Open Skies Treaty starting on Monday, a high-ranking Russian military official said.
Ruslan Shishin, an acting head of the Russian National Centre for Reducing Nuclear Threat, said that Russian inspectors will make observation flights over the territory of Germany between September 1 and 5, flying Swedish reconnaissance aircraft Antonov An-30B.




Just a quick question: Does anyone know where to find info for all the surveillence flights for Open Skies to date this year? (2014) I'm interested as RT has said that this would be their 26th flight this year - I think they are getting close to their quota?




posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Stupid russians ... it's no wonder why they lose territory all the time.

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 03:01 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Im starting to give up on optimism in the world, i understand these are probably planned flights but even so, the feeling of conflict is not far away. Even the small moves now are payed close attention to. I hope in the event of another full blown world war, that our people survive, perhaps putting the dividing line down, you can always dream.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

There never will be a full blown world war. You might say, that the current world leaders are too stupid for it. Basically, what is the point of a nuclear arsenal, if you aren't going to use it. It's of absolutely no use, for defence ... even an idiot, could see that. It has only one use, as a deterrant ... and it isn't much of a detterant, if your enemies are walking all over you.

Now, Britain flying over Russia and Russia flying over Germany ... now, those Russians are stupid as doornails. Literally. Germany is a "patsy" state, and Russia already has eyes on the ground in Germany, post WWII. Flying over Germany, gives them about as much intellgence gathering, as flying over the moon.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 04:24 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Their has Been two world wars.. it would be foolish to discredit the possibility of another some may argue we are already in one.. I dont fear the great wars as much as I do the total annihilation of us as a species by our own . Do you discredit this as well? The flights mean nothing, its the perception of the flights thats troublesome.
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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

I don't fear the wars at all, either. And "my" species has already face close to inhialation. Both in past, and close history ... so we do not amount to anything, world wise.

But, the term "WWIII" was used by post WWII people, who by observation thought that Germans would sooner or later rise up again, for revenge. That's no longer a possiblity, as you and I both know. They're exterminated, the core german population ... they won't ever rise again.

So, a war with Russia is hardly a world war. Since it's not likely to take place anywhere but in Europe. Even if some germanic populace would rise again, to wage revenge ... would hardly even be a world war. Russia isn't "preparing" for a war, it's basically retreating ... always has been. Painting it as a threat, is just tactics ... you need an enemy, to excuse the presence of a major military. And you need, a threat, to excuse the presence of major foreign forces both political and military in Europe. The point is, such a tactic both serves Russia and the US. So, Putin isn't going to gain anything from going to war ...

And here comes my point, Russia flying over Germany ... just shows that Russia isn't afraid of Britain. It wants to closely monitor Germany, not Britain. A logical surveillance treaty would be, "you fly over my territory, I fly over yours". But instead, Russia is flying over Germany, to see what Germany is building post WWII and post cold war. They don't fear Britain.

Get my point? I mean, that's outright idiotic ... because the Germans are dead ... the Russians killed a lot of them themselves, and should know this. A bunch of brits, asians, africans and turks, living in Germany. Is not Germans. Without the German "core", Germany is just a piece of land ... whoever occupies it

Get my point?



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

The last point you make i certainly do and confess, as i was stationed in Schweinfurt Germany marching German streets (for ruck marches with m-4 in hand, more like show of force/presence patrols) I felt like an empire, i noticed how most of the society is very meek and national pride is considered nazi. A German women i spent sometime with, discussed these things with me as i became interested. I saw a once proud people reduced to a blight with a socialist government(might i say peaceful) which further separates them from western society, yet here we are. i came to many conclusions but those are other story's.
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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Guys - There are observation flights done every year by the signitories of the Open Skies treaty -

Earlier this year Russia actually said Nyet to the USA for a planned observation in April. Apparently in the lead-up to the cancellation weekly observations were done in Russia.

Flying Blind - Russia blocks planned US aerial observation (April 2014)


The Russian government this week canceled a planned U.S. surveillance flight over Russian territory in a bid to limit spying on massed troops facing off against Ukraine and Eastern Europe, according to U.S. officials.

The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia’s government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

The cancellation is unusual because the sole reason for putting off such treaty-approve surveillance is flight safety, such as bad weather.

Until this week, the United States and other European allies who are a party to the 34-nation treaty were conducting weekly overflights above Russia during the past month.







Really would like to know how many were done this year by each signatory and where and when. If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be splendid.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Yes mam, I realize this and i dont have an answer. I felt however you posted a thread instead of other means to bring light to the observance flights and there significance in todays context. Please disregard my misunderstanding



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

No no - you're quite right! I figured giving notice of these planned missions are indeed interesting given the current geo-political clime. Germany have just sent weapons aid to Kurdish fighters, Germany is also pretty cheesed off at Russia - Putin has his arms all over the world in different situations like a hungry octopus.

It would be interesting to see what may come out of these missions in the coming weeks.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Where do you stand in this whole # storm? Ultimately I stand with the West and believe we should protect our interests. Though ive become very negative about it all recently



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:40 AM
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Double
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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Well then I guess I better shave close today.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: auroraaus

Open skies treaty - OSCE
Wiki - Open skies treaty - referneces at bottom.

There are 2 treaties with similar names.

The open skies treaty is the over flight by military aircraft.

The open skies agreement is for civilian aircraft.



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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

Don't worry, its just an old game of "you show me yours, and I'll show you mine"

Later comes the rather amusing pissing contests.

Same old stuff new day....




posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 02:15 PM
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Open Skies is good in theory but the tactics are a bit obsolete.

I thought that they had spy satellites for that?

And what about submarines? No one is watching them.



posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 09:09 PM
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Jesuslives4u: What the what??

Xcathdra: Thanks for that - I was aware of the two differing ones but it's good of you to post in case others didn't


MarkJS: You know, I think you may be right. That is to say although Open Skies gives the air of co-operation, spy satellites and drones are technically acts of aggression - if perpertators get caught it can cause a diplomatic incident.


TechniXcality: I'm a bit of a fence sitter here. I like to weigh up the pros and cons of arguements, look at behaviours and historical actions... but that doesn't mean I'm some Lord Stanley! It's been interesting looking at the western tradition and how it plays a part in todays world.



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