Democracy and the US government CANNOT work with an ignorant populace!!!!

originally posted by: olaru12
America hasn't been a democratic republic for quite some time. The oligarchy solidified itself in 1964 with the take over by the military industrial complex.

www.oligarchyusa.com...

There will be no revolution, no change, and no recognition of the real elite that pull the strings.

So enjoy your bread and circus. Pay your taxes, go to work and stfu.

We now live under a benevolent tyranny. That's about to change into more oppression and virtual slavery.

www.princeton.edu...

If you haven't made plans to bail in the near future then I'm afraid you are SOL.

I think this is closer to the real truth.

Now what is a good name for it? Corporate fascist military state?

a reply to: paraphi

I sort of get frustrated by posts like the OP. You assume the population are all stupid and ignorant

What's that old saying? People can be smart but populations (mobs) are stupid. I think that holds true in America today, all you have to do is look around and the point proves itself.

I agree with the OP's position on this.

a reply to: notmyrealname

Why is it democratic elections became 'we are a democracy'? Rome started as a Republic….

That is one of their twists to confuse us.

In the beginning of the Republic there was no "two party system" either.

That was devised later to dilute the Constitution and its constraints. You have heard of divide and conquer… welcome to divide and rule.

The focus is off serving the public and onto infighting between two sides that no longer represent the public interest.

a reply to: JimTSpock
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Section 4 of the constitution...
"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

a reply to: Klassified

You can be a democratic republic. I thought the US was a representative democratic republic?

Justice for all? That part sounds good. lol.

I think there is a bit of room for interpretation. Want to hear a joke? North Korea is the DPRK or democratic people's republic of Korea. Yeah sure!

originally posted by: paraphi
I sort of get frustrated by posts like the OP. You assume the population are all stupid and ignorant and that (somehow) the OP is enlightened and informed. I don't think that is the case. The majority of people are stable and don't give a toss if their basic needs are being accommodated.

Regards

Democracy ceases to exist once a majority of the population realize they can vote themselves wealth out of the public purse. What percentage of the population is on food stamps? Who are their employers? How much profit do their employers make?

a reply to: NonsensicalUserName



1919

No Nazis there yet.

And yes, Nazis are Left Wing.

Anything authoritarian is Left Wing.

Authority is the only way they can accomplish their agendas.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

1919

No Nazis there yet.

And yes, Nazis are Left Wing.

Anything authoritarian is Left Wing.

Authority is the only way they can accomplish their agendas.

Really?

Fascism /fæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy in the immediate aftermath of World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left–right spectrum, several self-described fascists have said that the description is inadequate.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: JimTSpock
America is a democracy only in that we elect representatives to hold many government offices. We are a republic in every other way, in that the constitution is the law of the land. The constitution protects the rights of individual and group alike. The minority, and the majority. It does this by keeping a pure democracy from being established. Where the majority take away the rights of the minority by vote.

We are not, and have never been a democracy. Though our constitution allows us to exercise certain democratic principles.

The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

a reply to: xuenchen
Nazis are ultra right wing communists are ultra left wing. That's what I got in school. And right and left meet and become virtually the same at the extremes. Totalitarian states.

originally posted by: JimTSpock
a reply to: xuenchen
Nazis are ultra right wing communists are ultra left wing. That's what I got in school. And right and left meet and become virtually the same at the extremes. Totalitarian states.

True Conservatism has limited government, therefore authority is limited.

And maybe onequestion's assessment of the school system is correct.

Many people are confused with the definitions of "Left / Right".

Naziism and Communism both use very similar programs to achieve "Socialistic" goals.

Even many big corporations use "Left Wing" style programs.

Perhaps it's time to re-assess the spectrum.

Most (if not all) "definitions" seem to be coming from similar Progressive sources.

It's been happening for over 100 years.

Hey Onequestion, Keeping people informed and getting them to listen in a society where the two Most Important Things are Football and Walmart is kind of a non starter. The elites like keeping the populace in a state of being only Useful Idiots, it makes them so much easier to manipulate. Good OP and Thanks Arjunanda a reply to: onequestion

Can't work with an ignorant population? Oh, maybe I should grab some homemade blueberry pie and turn on the TV and see if there is a comedy on.

Actually the only way a big government can work is if people are doped up and ignorant. Start getting too many chiefs without enough Indians and you got nothing but a mess. All these special interest groups are causing a lot of extra costs and nobody wants to pay taxes to fund them.

a reply to: intrepid

Definitions vary with the "writers".....

from the same source..

Fascists sought to unify their nation through an authoritarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community and were characterized by having leadership that initiated a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to fascist ideology.

and...

Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.

Similarities to USSR etc.

Hmmm.

Hardly a genuine "Right Wing" Conservative limited government is it.

The "Individualism" only exists at the top with Progressive systems.

Kinda like oil floating on water.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Most (if not all) "definitions" seem to be coming from similar Progressive sources.

It's been happening for over 100 years.

That's a pretty convenient statement. Impossible to back up but convenient. That way ANY source that doesn't back up your point of view can be poopooed.

a reply to: xuenchen

If you check the VAST majority, fascism is considered right wing. Has been since forever. Obfuscation will not change that. You DO know that saying something doesn't make it true, right?

a reply to: onequestion

The power brokers and political elite know this. Thats why they're kids are in privately funded school systems, thats why our education system is garbage and im talking across the board all the way to state colleges.

Is it possible we've been sold out?

In the early 20th century both the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations were donating large sums of money to education and the social sciences. They supported, in particular, the National Education Association. By way of grants, they spent millions of dollars, money which was used to radically bend the traditionalist education system toward a new system that favored standardized testing over critical thinking, toward “scientific management” in schools. This was part of a calculated plan to make the schooling system benefit corporate America, at the expense of the American school child. Powerful foundations with private interests, such as the Ford Foundation, continue to support, and thereby influence the policy of, the NEA to this day.

Additionally, an unprecedented U.S. Congressional investigation into tax-exempt foundations identified the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations engagement in an agenda for vast population control. Norman Dodd, Research Director for the Congressional Committee, found this statement in the archives of the Carnegie endowment:

Rockefeller Domination of Education

It’s no secret that the US educational system doesn’t do a very good job. Like clockwork, studies show that America’s schoolkids lag behind their peers in pretty much every industrialized nation. We hear shocking statistics about the percentage of high-school seniors who can’t find the US on an unmarked map of the world or who don’t know who Abraham Lincoln was.

The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile

Hmmm.

a reply to: onequestion

Unless good people inform themselves and start taking political action in their local communities and on a larger scale then democracy cant work.

I was arguing with my better half about this just the other day. The problem is ALOT of people simply don't give two #s about what happens outside their little world sphere. I see this most often in Mothers. Unless it is something that is popular on Facebook or somehow penetrates their circle of friends' awareness, they have very little knowledge of anything going on in the world. There world is tightly focused on their direct surroundings. Your idea about propaganda and such is nice, but that assumes people are paying attention to it in the first place. I think a sizable chunk of the population simply tune almost all of it out. Rush Limbaugh has a term for these people, he calls them "low information voters" this is an apt description. And no, I don't listen to Rush all the time, but i have heard him use it and it is spot on from what i have seen. If you can somehow get these people to listen, they are right on board and understand, the issue is getting them to listen.

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There was a cartoon on FB last week that made perfect sense of this. Lady asks her man as she's out the door, "Are you going to vote?" "Nah, it's just a primary." THAT'S the frickin problem people. If you don't CHOOSE a candidate, why the hell bitch about it later when you get the same corporate cronies? Don't complain.....VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES!

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: xuenchen

If you check the VAST majority, fascism is considered right wing. Has been since forever. Obfuscation will not change that. You DO know that saying something doesn't make it true, right?

Thank you for allowing my opinions as well as yours.

Some others agree.

It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. "The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer's goods for his consumption."

Business Under Nazis

and somewhat related....
Nazism is Socialism