It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: olaru12
America hasn't been a democratic republic for quite some time. The oligarchy solidified itself in 1964 with the take over by the military industrial complex.
There will be no revolution, no change, and no recognition of the real elite that pull the strings.
So enjoy your bread and circus. Pay your taxes, go to work and stfu.
We now live under a benevolent tyranny. That's about to change into more oppression and virtual slavery.
If you haven't made plans to bail in the near future then I'm afraid you are SOL.
I sort of get frustrated by posts like the OP. You assume the population are all stupid and ignorant
Why is it democratic elections became 'we are a democracy'? Rome started as a Republic….
originally posted by: paraphi
I sort of get frustrated by posts like the OP. You assume the population are all stupid and ignorant and that (somehow) the OP is enlightened and informed. I don't think that is the case. The majority of people are stable and don't give a toss if their basic needs are being accommodated.
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: NonsensicalUserName
No Nazis there yet.
And yes, Nazis are Left Wing.
Anything authoritarian is Left Wing.
Authority is the only way they can accomplish their agendas.
Fascism /fæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy in the immediate aftermath of World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left–right spectrum, several self-described fascists have said that the description is inadequate.
The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
originally posted by: JimTSpock
a reply to: xuenchen
Nazis are ultra right wing communists are ultra left wing. That's what I got in school. And right and left meet and become virtually the same at the extremes. Totalitarian states.
Fascists sought to unify their nation through an authoritarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community and were characterized by having leadership that initiated a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to fascist ideology.
Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.
originally posted by: xuenchen
Most (if not all) "definitions" seem to be coming from similar Progressive sources.
It's been happening for over 100 years.
The power brokers and political elite know this. Thats why they're kids are in privately funded school systems, thats why our education system is garbage and im talking across the board all the way to state colleges.
In the early 20th century both the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations were donating large sums of money to education and the social sciences. They supported, in particular, the National Education Association. By way of grants, they spent millions of dollars, money which was used to radically bend the traditionalist education system toward a new system that favored standardized testing over critical thinking, toward “scientific management” in schools. This was part of a calculated plan to make the schooling system benefit corporate America, at the expense of the American school child. Powerful foundations with private interests, such as the Ford Foundation, continue to support, and thereby influence the policy of, the NEA to this day.
Additionally, an unprecedented U.S. Congressional investigation into tax-exempt foundations identified the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations engagement in an agenda for vast population control. Norman Dodd, Research Director for the Congressional Committee, found this statement in the archives of the Carnegie endowment:
Rockefeller Domination of Education
It’s no secret that the US educational system doesn’t do a very good job. Like clockwork, studies show that America’s schoolkids lag behind their peers in pretty much every industrialized nation. We hear shocking statistics about the percentage of high-school seniors who can’t find the US on an unmarked map of the world or who don’t know who Abraham Lincoln was.
The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile
Unless good people inform themselves and start taking political action in their local communities and on a larger scale then democracy cant work.
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: xuenchen
If you check the VAST majority, fascism is considered right wing. Has been since forever. Obfuscation will not change that. You DO know that saying something doesn't make it true, right?
It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. "The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer's goods for his consumption."
Business Under Nazis