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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
Last 14 years the west with Anglo American help has killed a vast amount of civilians in wars
Care to tell me how many Russia has killed in its wars?
If people here have a problem with Putin for leading a country the way he does, then, when are people on the west going to overthrow the people that rule them, the people that had killed millions of innocent people? When are the western people going to stop what they have been doing since the end of the WW2?
Why are you worried what's going on Russia, when I can guarantee you, people on the west have much bigger problems. Why don't you worry about your country and "humanitarian" actions that it takes everytime they dislike some leader?
Russian involvement in Ukraine is based on STRATEGIC REACTION TO A VITAL ISSUE.
If the Russian military or Kremlin core had difference in opinions with Putin on such issues, it would have already shown via public statements and media interviews etc.
So in your world letting Russia destroy a sovereign nation on false pretenses is just fine?
So now if Russia would quit trying to rekindle the old Soviet Union by invading it's former members that might actually happen, but I doubt Russia will ever stop
So then how many casualties have come from the Russians invasion of Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine?
But yet nobody on the pro Russian side will discuss these and the casualties left behind because of these conflicts...why?
Because Russia doesn't have the right to do as they please, and if they aren't stopped from taking over sovereign nations who is next...maybe your country is next and that would be okay?
Afghanistan, Chechnya okay, casualties are numbered in a couple thousands. Again, much worst things had been done by your precious innocent west.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: pavil
I cant believe this "don't mess with a nuclear Russia" comment. What is this 1958 or some sh*t. What a stupid and irresponsible to say this day and age. What he going to do? Fire some nukes off if anyone messes with him? Talk about a terrorist.
Huh? Where did I say ANYTHING like that? Stop trying to go personal and stick to debating points. I know honest debate and dissent are in short supply in Russia nowadays, but try please.
Are you proud of how Russia is acting towards it's neighbors? To me, they are being the bully of smaller kids. Tell me how Russia's actions make its neighbors feel?
If things progress down this path, it WILL lead to a new Cold War and arms race. Just what both sides need right?
Actually Putin IS a killer. It is my personal belief that he sanctioned the death of the spy in London who got radiation poisoning after having a meal in a trendy Japanese restaurant in London. The use of radioactive materials like that must have been given the go ahead by Putin. And what about the journalists over the years who have been bumped off. Ok he did not personally pull the trigger but he has their blood on his hands.
Do you see how hypocrite you are?
When Russia took Crimea, not ONE single person died.
Afghanistan, Chechnya okay, casualties are numbered in a couple thousands.
14,453 Killed (total)
9,500 killed in combat
4,000 died from wounds
1,000 died from disease and accidents
75,000–90,000 killed, 75,000+ wounded (tentative estimate)
Pakistan: 300+ killed
1 F-16 fighter jet shot down
Iran: 2 AH-1J helis shot down
The decade-long war resulted in the death of 850,000–1.5 million civilians as well as causing millions of Afghans to flee the country, mostly to Pakistan and Iran.
2,364–2,572 Interior ministry troops,
1,072 Chechen police officers
and 106 FSB and GRU operatives killed
Total killed: 7,217–7,425* 14,113 militants killed (1999–2002)
2,186 militants killed (2003–2009)
Total killed: 16,299
Estimate up to 25,000 killed and up to 5,000 "disappeared" in Chechnya (AI estimate),
Estimate total number of casualties 80,000 killed in Chechnya (GfbV estimate),
More in neighbouring regions,
More than 600 killed during attacks in Russia proper.
Russia can't do what Russia wants, but west can? Double standards or hypocrisy, I can't tell for sure.
Plus, you are forgetting the fact that my country had been destroyed by the west...Same what you did with Libya.
However, for decades prior to the 2011 Libyan civil war, the countries were enemies and engaged each other in several military skirmishes. The Libyan government of Muammar Gaddafi funded terror operations against the United States, most notably the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing, to which the United States retaliated by bombing Libya, and the 1988 Lockerbie bombing.
I am not saying that the US is the only bad guys, but you can't deny the the west has done much worst things than Russia and North Korea will ever ever do. Facts.
North Koreans sent to prison camps and detention centers are often subjected to torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Many prisoners fall ill and die in custody or soon after release.
Tens of thousands of North Koreans, as well as nationals from other countries, have been abducted by the North Korean government.
North Korean family members of suspected dissidents have disappeared or been punished under the principle of "guilt by association."
Millions of people have experienced the worst hunger in a decade with women, children and the elderly being the most vulnerable. Many have been forced to scavenge for wild foods or accept food substitutes. The government has failed to seek adequate international assistance. In March of 2009, North Korea refused to accept any further food aid from the U.S.
Public executions, even for offenses not subject to the death penalty under domestic law. Death offenses include, "treason against the Fatherland," and "treason against the people".
According to international human rights organizations as well as domestic press, violations of human rights in Russia include widespread and systematic torture of persons in custody by police, dedovshchina in Russian Army, neglect and cruelty in Russian orphanages, violations of children's rights. According to Amnesty International there is discrimination, racism, and murders of members of ethnic minorities. Since 1992 at least 50 journalists have been killed across the country.
I will ask one last time. Do you people have any proofs that Russian troops are currently in the Ukraine?
It was an "accident."
That was Moscow's official response to how a group of Russian paratroopers ended up in Ukraine. The soldiers -- apparently from a division based in Kostroma, a city on the Volga River north of Moscow -- were captured by Ukrainian forces, who posted videos of some of their interrogations online.
Ten Russian paratroopers who were captured in Ukraine on Monday crossed the border “accidentally” during a routine frontier patrol, Russia’s ministry of defence claimed.
And exactly what was it that makes me a hypocrite, as I haven't change in what my feelings are on the conflict in Ukraine but feel free to show me..
Have I ever stated that the US can do as they please, because I can guarantee I haven't.
Good try though.
What makes you think I agree with what NATO did in your country?
When you fund terrorism against the US you will pay the price...That's a fact.
What more do you need to show that Russian troops are in fact in Ukraine?