originally posted by: Xtrozero
So where do you put the blame and the burden on? The guy who owns a shop?
Not the person you aimed this at but there is no one to blame, it's human nature. Of course turning society to **** and subjugating people is in
human nature too. It's important to have laws in a society that prevent us from giving in to these urges.
The whole thing plays out as an epic scale implementation of the prisoners dilemma. If two employers offer strong wages everyone benefits more, but
if one employer cuts back on wages a little bit they guarantee they do better. People often times take the individual guarantee over the larger
benefit that requires cooperation.
It is funny how the administration sees a huge increase in Government jobs as an success and your example is more along the truth. Got to
support the small businesses
What else can the administration do? Don't get me wrong, I don't call what they're doing a success but the government can't create private sector
jobs. We can make conditions more favorable to such things but it requires business to want to invest in the US and it's legislation that needs to
pass through congress. Congress is bought and paid for by the guys who want to employ people in third world countries that work for 10 cents per day,
those businesses don't want to be forced to pay American wages.
Small business is just along for the ride. They don't have representation in congress.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
I agree but think of a company that takes the path of least resistance in terms of profit. The Government has made it more profitable for companies to
do as you say above. Obamacare is just one example that drives companies to do this.
But these companies already weren't offering health coverage. 40 hours with no health coverage or 29 hours without it. The government didn't
suddenly make it more profitable to cut benefits, instead they gave companies a way to circumvent having to pay benefits. What if Obamacare said
companies had to cover health insurance premiums, and the amount they had to pay out of the total was proportional to how many hours they hired
someone for? If they hired someone for 30 hours per week they paid 75% of the premium, 20 hours they paid 50%, and so on.
It never would have passed because the corporate backing of Obamacare of which there was much (remember, Obamacare was essentially the official
Heritage plan from 1988 until McCain lost the election in 2008) wasn't about providing coverage. It was about how to not provide coverage.
Once again when the cost of living goes up sharply, like it has in the last 6 years, pay raises are slow to follow. It would be nice if the
board of directors read that the cost of living went up 10% in one year and then they give everyone an instant 10% pay raise but that just is not how
it works or ever worked. It does average out over time, but it takes time, and never quiets catches up. We will see 10 bucks minimum soon, and already
see it in many states.
It's more than just the past 6 years. We've had a real inflation rate since 2001 of 10% and a real rate of 5-7% from 1980 to 2000. The problem is
that CPI doesn't measure inflation, yet that's the tool we use to to give the real inflation rate. It's like weighing a dog turd in order to
predict upcoming rain.
$10 minimum right now is an absolute pittance, that's like taking half of a persons wage and then offering 10% of it back to them. Or a bank
committing $1 trillion in fraud and then paying back 10 billion in penalties. The minimum wage right now should be $24/hour, and this isn't some
high position to negotiate from, that's what it should actually be just to have kept pace with inflation for the past couple decades.
Many people make less than $24/hour right now, most people do actually. Think about that when you put some thought into labor costs and just how low
they are currently. People are cheap and we're becoming cheaper... the whole idea is that our labor becomes competitive with third world country
labor. That is where business wants us in a global economy.
60% of the people that go to college should not go to college.... they should learn a trade/skill. The part that really sucks are the plethora
of stupid degrees that do not align with any actual job market. So I get a degree in generic_01 degree, or I'll just pick one, BA in Cultural
Studies, and I get a C average and a diploma. As a person hiring what does that tell me of the person who has this degree? Is there anything about it
that I can say oh, you are a perfect fit for this 70k starting job? ....nope
All those degrees mean is your a little bit better than a high school degree.
I have a STEM degree. The jobs still don't exist. We overproduce certain degrees like Cultural Studies to use your example, but those degrees do
serve a purpose to society. These days degrees don't get you a job.
Some of us actually play the system and do quite well. I agree we are a consumer society, and people do not know how to really live cheap
anymore. I saw a homeless guy talking on a better IPhone than I had. I see people who can't afford to live have a 500 bucks month car payment,
IPhone, computer, internet, eat out 4 days a week, cable, nice TV, named brand cloth, 150 bucks Nikes, regularly buy weed/liquor etc etc.
The homeless guy doesn't have rent to pay, he also likely got the phone through the lifeline program. Often times these programs offer recent phones
because it's most economical to dump excess current stock than to reproduce older stock of a lower quality. I can't afford to live myself... I
posted 2 weeks of groceries for me actually. I have none of the stuff you mentioned. No car payment, a cheap prepaid phone, no eating out, no tv, no
cable, 4 year old shoes (that cost $50 when I bought them), all second hand clothes from good will, and no drugs/alcohol. I have a computer and
internet but that's because I have to have it for work/school, I don't exactly have a choice to not have it.
When I look back at my 20s in the 1980s I had a lot less, and that is why I was able to live on about 4 bucks an hour wage.
That's also before real inflation vs CPI really took off, it's a change we made in 1980 and then took years to compound. $4/hour in 1980 is about
equal to $30/hour in purchasing power today yet those jobs that were paying $4 back then are paying $7.50 today. Your 1980 wage is more analogous to
trying to get by on $1/hour back then.