Surprise. Stephen Harper’s U.S. border deal does imperil Canadian sovereignty

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posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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Surprise. Stephen Harper’s U.S. border deal does imperil Canadian sovereignty


The U.S. government wants American police agents working in Canada exempted from Canadian law. If this is a surprise, it shouldn’t be.

The secret American demand was unearthed this week by Canadian Press reporters looking into Ottawa’s much ballyhooed border deal with the U.S.

Announced in 2011, the so-called North American perimeter security pact would give Washington the right to have its agents and police officers operate alongside their Canadian counterparts within Canada.

In return, the Americans have said they’ll make it easier for trucks to travel back and forth across the border between the two countries.

While details of the pact remain sparse, it appears to give American agents working in so-called “integrated teams” the power of Canadian peace officers — including the right to carry weapons and use them on Canadian soil.

The Conservative government has said only that U.S. agents operating in Canada will be involved in “intelligence and criminal investigations” and that uniformed U.S. officers will help patrol the land border from the Canadian side.

Theoretically, Canadian agents could operate with similar powers in the U.S. in order to provide an appearance of reciprocity.

“This declaration is not about sovereignty,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said when he announced the new arrangement two years ago.

In fact, it very much is.

The latest revelation underscores this. A 2012 RCMP briefing note obtained by The Canadian Press points out that Washington and Ottawa have been at daggers drawn over whether U.S. agents and police officers who commit crimes in Canada would be subject to Canadian law.

The Americans prefer to maintain sole legal jurisdiction over their agents operating abroad. In Afghanistan, for example, all U.S. government soldiers and officials are accorded diplomatic status — which makes them immune from Afghan law.

Similar “status of forces agreements” with other nations give Washington sole or shared jurisdiction over certain kinds of offences committed by American soldiers and their dependants abroad.

Under a 1951 treaty, even Canada has ceded some rights over U.S. and other NATO troops operating inside this country. But the 1951 treaty does give Canada the right to arrest and try NATO soldiers or their dependants who have committed non-military crimes such as murder.

It seems now that the U.S. wants more. According to the RCMP memo, Washington is demanding that its police agents operating in Canada be entirely exempt from Canadian criminal law.

A U.S. agent who, for instance, shot and killed a Canadian while on Canadian soil would not be subject to a Canadian court.


As a Canadian this terrifies me.

With all the police brutality going on down in the states, the last thing I want is that happening up here in Canada by U.S police. If this is going to happen, than they better be held accountable to Canadian law!!!! If the U.S is going to make a big stink about Mark Emery & extraditing him to the U.S to face U.S law, than the g.damn U.S police better have to face Canadian law!!!!

((Yes I am irked by this news))




posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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Sounds more like "free movement for the South American Independent Pharmaceutical Distribution Network" aka. the cartels.



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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Harper is nothing but the pale relative of Obama.

They are both Nazi material and should be treated as such.

Peace



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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Harper is the worst Prime Minister ever. Selling out our resources to the Chinese, promoting foreign workers, promoting foreign ownership of Canadian soil (especially in Vancouver, driving the housing market skyrocketing!), wasting taxpayer money, Afghanistan, supporting Israel without condemning them and then demanding muslim nations condemn ISIS, reducing our protected parks to the lowest ever,

and my favourite, spending BILLIONS of our dollars for the CHANCE to buy FAILED fighter jets, which we dont need, since we shouldnt be invading anyone!!!
Runaway Fighter documentary



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Ridhya

Yeppers, that about sums it up, only have to add the biggest deficit in Canadian history, forcing everyone to retire at 67 instead of 65, selling out our country and giving the Americans access to our private medical records and private conversations, and on, and on, and on.... abolishing the senate haha and appointing questionable people to it, degrading parliamentary proceedings by obfuscation, well you get the picture.

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posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: aboutface

Don't forget the pipelines & taking the Humpback Whale off the endangered species list when it is still endangered.



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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That little creep is doing as much damage to our country as he possibly can while these goofs are in office, what did he say "you won't recognise Canada after im done"..something to that effect.
Thank you Conservatives..hope you got what you wanted
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Ya Im mad.
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posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: aboutface
Don't forget robocalls..whole election should of been voided.



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: knoledgeispower


As a Canadian this terrifies me.

With all the police brutality going on down in the states, the last thing I want is that happening up here in Canada by U.S police. If this is going to happen, than they better be held accountable to Canadian law!!!! If the U.S is going to make a big stink about Mark Emery & extraditing him to the U.S to face U.S law, than the g.damn U.S police better have to face Canadian law!!!!

((Yes I am irked by this news))




Prior to the G20 fiasco I would have agreed with you. However, since that "event", Ive realized that our police have the same militiary style training as the American ones.

At the end of the day it's two sides to the same coin to me. I don't trust any of them regardless of what country they call home.

They are above the law in both countries, and are rarely held accountable for their actions.



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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Harper is the worst Canadian prime minister ever. I don't need to add any MORE than other posters before me.
Trudeau isn't better, we can count on that.

I'm in Québec and I ain't voting Bloc Quebecois, with the advent of globalism and a crushed American economy, we Canadians need to work together and build a stronger country.

NPD's Mulcair will get my vote just like Jack Layton did. Other than independents with no power. NPD is the only party out there that represents the values of the majority of Canadians.



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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If US police ever tried to stop me in Canada I would;
a) ignore their commands b) walk away or flee the scene



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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Think its time you guys teamed up like the old days with us Brits who have to put up with the same US crap and go have a party in DC 1812 style



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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WOW almost like a PLAN is being carried out here HUH?



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: yourmaker



If US police ever tried to stop me in Canada I would;

a) ignore their commands b) walk away or flee the scene


Then the American cops who become "authorized" to work on Canadian soil will bring their superior attitude and entitled mentality with them and shoot you in the back. A small adjustment in their geographical location won't change their mindset.
    "You run you die! Stop resisting!"



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: theMediator

Yes Harper is the worst, imho.

I think the NDP is the smart choice too. I do like how Trudeau wants to legalize marijuana but that's the only thing I like about the liberals. Christy Clark is screwing up B.C. Makes me want to smack her with a salmon.

The last time we had to vote for MLA's, I really like what my local NDP guy was campaigning for. He was super friendly & he for sure had my vote. Instead we have a terrible Conservative guy who doesn't give two flying hoots about this area.



a reply to: crazyewok

Don't the Brits also do a lot of what the U.S tells them?

Harper just bends over and takes it.

We Canadians don't often fight but when we do, we burn down a chunk of your white house & win the war. ((Which technically was brown at the time but after us Canadian came along, it had to be painted white, it was cheaper))



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: deuceawesome

U.S police seem to be going bonkers right now.....mind you I think that is just to get people all riled up so Marshal Law can be enacted. ((Like in Ferguson))



posted on Aug, 31 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: knoledgeispower

Christy clark though head of the liberal party is in fact a conservative. The Liberal party under Gordon Wilson was hijacked by Gordon cambell a conservative. Christy did in fact table a motion to change the name of the party to conservative but the motion was defeated.

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posted on Aug, 31 2014 @ 12:30 AM
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I'm an American so maybe I'm biased on this deal but I'm fine with it. Being immune to prosecution is important so that if a cop does have to attack someone, they aren't held liable for assault. We do the same thing for our soldiers in war zones.

It also happens to provide a nice easy face saving way of refusing our particular brand of justice without looking soft on crime. Refusing to give police immunity as a politically viable way of saying no. It's how Iraq got rid of us for a bit.

Honestly, you don't want our cops. Be thankful for the loophole.
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posted on Aug, 31 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: knoledgeispower

As much as I poke fun at Canadians, their laws should remain their laws and anyone in their country should abide by their laws.

America has no business dictating, negotiating ANYTHING pertaining to sovereign law in another country.



posted on Aug, 31 2014 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Yes I can see where in some cases it makes sense but with how the police in the U.S are abusing power, they should be held accountable for their actions in another country. Especially when there is a high chance that they won't be held accountable in their own country. Yes I know that in war zones U.S troops/cops aren't charged with their actions, I do think that most of it is to save themselves from actually getting punished when in the U.s they would just get a light slap on the wrist.


What loophole?





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