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originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: MrSpad
You have it all wrong.
First off, it's the Ukrainian economy that is failing:
The international community should render assistance to Ukraine to prevent economic collapse in the country, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev said Tuesday.
“The international community, the states of the West and the East should render assistance to Ukraine," Nazarbayev said, adding that this is needed to prevent the economic collapse in the country.
Russia is doing just fine economically, the sanctions are mildly affecting them if even at all.
The rebels are not collapsing as you said, in fact they are gaining ground:
Pro-Russia Forces Gain Ground as Ukraine’s Volunteer Battalions Decry Kiev Leaders
As Russia forces push forward towards the southeastern Ukraine coastal city of Mariupol and evidence mounts of direct Russian military support to the insurgent fighters, besieged volunteer units of "patriots" leading the way in the country's fight back say they are not receiving enough support from Kiev to win the war.
"We have reinforcements, but it's not enough, it's like a drop in the sea," Alexey, a commander of the Dnipro Battalion, told VICE News this evening. "We need armament, what we have is not enough. We need anti-tanks artillery to hold the city."
It's the Ukrainian military that is collapsing regardless of all the help they are receiving, even the company formerly known as Blackwater is helping the Ukrainians:
Although I do agree with some of what you posted perhaps a little bit more research is in order next time before you make invalid claims.
Were you purposely misinforming us or was it an honest mistake?
That being said, there is more to the story than what the media outlets from both sides are telling us so it's almost like a balancing act while we filter the lies from the truth as difficult it may be.
originally posted by: MrSpad
This is not suprising and not unexpected. Russia and Ukraine are now in talks. However. with the colllapse of the "rebel" forces Russia had lost a major card in its hand to use to deal with. Russia's rebels defeated, Russia economy failing whille Ukraine walks into the room flush with victory and western aid. Putin is simply trying to give some balance to the talks and save face at home. It is unlikely this will lead to anything larger. The one thing that could set things going is direct intervention from the West. That would back Putin into a corner that he could not get out of without lots of people dying in the process. If the US and West is smart they will continue turn the santions screw and slowly begiin to arm and train Ukraines forces.
Russia economy failing whille Ukraine
The one thing that could set things going is direct intervention from the West.
Even the pro Russin crowd went from pretending the rebels were winning to blaiming the Russians for giving the crappy weapons awhile ago.
They lay out what forces Russia has committed and what units they are from.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter
Had you watched it you would not sound ignorant on the subject in question.
The other thing you missed was Ukraine's response.
They invoked article 51 of the UN charter and officially requested assistance to repel the Russian invasion. That act removes Russia's ability to veto any use of force authorization by the UN since its defensive.
This means nations can send military aid to Ukraine.