China Holds largest ever military Drill with Russia and other SCO members

The Peace Mission-2014 drill, being conducted from August 24 to 29 in China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, was declared open by Deputy Chief of Chinese People's Liberation Army's General Staff Wang Ning, who is supervising the military training.

The war games have attracted a record number of troops and military hardware, never previously gathered in one place before by the SCO member states.

from infantry troops and special forces, the international task force has been strengthened with air defense systems, radio-electronic warfare units and aviation.

The Russian army has come to China with a tactical group of the 36th Motor Rifle Brigade from the Eastern Military District and an aviation wing of the third Command of Air Force and Air Defense Troops.

The Russian contingent at Peace Mission-2014 consists of 1,000 plus servicemen, 60 armored vehicles, (including 40 BMP-2 fully amphibious crawling traction infantry combat vehicles), 13 main T-72 battle tanks, more than 20 artillery and missile systems, such as self-propelled artillery SAU 2S3M guns, multiple BM-21 rocket launch systems, more than 60 vehicles of different assignments, 8 Mi-8 AMTSh helicopter gunships, 4 Sukhoi Su-25 assault jets and two Il-76 military transport airplanes.

Chinese military WZ-10, ZTZ99A2 MBT, ZBL09 & ZBD04A IFV armored Vehicles and tanks in the exercise on Aug 23rd




Russian Military T-90 MBT, BMP-2 IFV armored Vehicles and tanks in the exercise on Aug 23rd


The Military exercise is officially aimed at eliminating terrorists in various situations and environments but this does not really look like an exercise aimed at eliminating terrorists considering the size of the forces present there . There seems to be something bigger going on , maybe a precursor to a full fledged military alliance ?



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India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia to join SCO

At present, the SCO has started to counterbalance NATO’s role in Asia. Consequently, these countries want to take part in the SCO in the capacity of safeguard of their interests. At present, the SCO is strengthening because the American policy towards Asia has been excessively tough and is aimed at suppressing their interests. The American policy contradicts the interests of Asian countries. In this sense, it’s quite natural that India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia expressed desire to join the SCO. There is another aspect that has to be taken into account. The growing role of China in the world shows that many countries are afraid of directly cooperating with it without outside backing. In this context, SCO enters in the capacity of guarantor that China will honour the interests of these countries in the framework of the existing SCO guidelines,” Maslov said.

This is rather interesting considering India and Pakistan despite the hostilities are joining the SCO as a permanent member. This will eventually mean that both the countries will have to work together in the times to come . Which means that the organization will not only support but may be actively involved in the normalization of Pakistan-India relations .

Well, I'll just keep a watch-full eye on China/ Russia relations. They are powerful individual nations but together, they are a force to be reckoned with.

Perhaps the new members joined to try and tone down China's expansionist policies?

China will run an excercise with Russia and then one with US, China just got done at RIMPAC. It is just part of the way they do things. India joining anything with China and Pakistan in not going to happen. Even India's ties with Russia are slipping mostly do to China and India not getting along. And India not trusting Russia to back her against China.

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And in bad news for Russia the US has become Indias top arms dealer. US edges out Russia in arms sales to India

India also wanted to diversify its arms suppliers as Moscow was proving to be an unreliable provider with extended delivery deadlines, exponential cost increases, and hurdles in transferring technology

India is also buying from France and Israel. And

In response to India looking beyond Moscow for arms, Russia is considering an attack helicopter sale to India’s regional rival Pakistan.

So what does all this tell us about the region? That it is very unstable and complex. That China wants to walk the line and never have to chose a side. India expects to face China at some point and is not sure that Russia can provide what it needs to do so. Vietnam is also in this boat.

So that leads to things like India pushing for closer ties with the US/Japan/ASEAN, At the same time feeling threatened by Pakistan who is armed by both the US and China. China patcipating in the worlds largest military exercise RIMPAC one month and in another with Russia a month later. Meanwhile Russia is selling weapons to Vietnam and India to directly counter China. It all gets mixed but, it kind of comes down to this.

China finds Russia to be useful at picking away at US global domination. China finds the US to be useful as its largest trade partner, to keep ocean trade free and flowing and at keeping the rest of Asia inline and from getting trigger happy. While at the same time China fears US global domination because it could cut China's trade off at sea overnight and bring it all crashing down. And China also has beef with Russia for arming India and Vietnam against them. China and India have been on a collision course for sometime. China wants India to let it be the dominate power and run the region and India has no interest in that.

Russia is desperate for friends and will do anything to get some but, all it really finds is people who are willing to use Russia but, when Russia needs real backing the best they will do is be nuetral. Russia arms India and Vietnam but, they both look to the US now. Russia does whatever China asks but, China refuses to return that while at the same time making time with the US.

India would like to walk the line between Russia and the US but, needs real backing against China and does not see Russia having the will much less the ability to be any real help in that. So india seeks out ties with US/Japan/ASEAN. India tries to publicly engage China but. has now geared its entire military doctrine on countering China.

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Imagine Russia,China,India,Iran,Turkey,Saudi Arabia,and Pakistan in an alliance,,add to that Indonesia and Maleysia and you get yourself one heck of a power house...Then the west has to work so hard to try to catch up with them...Maybe that can prevent the one sided new world order plan to take place,or at least delay it longer.

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Here`s your answer :

Why Are Russia and China (and Iran) Paramount Enemies For the U.S. Ruling Elite?

So today we find these two great powers, Russia and China, recently driven into one another’s arms by the endless crusades of the West to undermine them. Together they constitute a great power center outside the control of the U.S. Empire. Bent on global domination, the U.S. cannot tolerate such a defiant and alternative center of power. The reason is that such a center provides an alternative for others who would gain their independence from the West. Such an organization as BRICS would not exist, or if it did would not mean much, without the “R” and the “C.”

But the battle against colonialism has not ended. Certainly India, most of Latin America, much of East Asia and most of Africa have yet to break free of the West and develop their full economic potential. (They certainly have not escaped underdevelopment while in the embrace of the West.) In some places governments defiant of the U.S. have emerged as in Bolivia, Venezuela and Ecuador. Where once the U.S. fought battles against insurgent liberation movements, now it fights to bring down defiant governments or leaders, another insight of Bricmont. That is also a feature of neo-imperialism. Some, like Mossadegh, Allende and Chavez, were genuine democrats who wished to bring their people out of poverty. Others have not been so democracy minded, but defiance of the West has been the common denominator for those whom the West seeks to destroy. As the world knows by now, “democracy” and “human rights” have nothing to do with U.S. neo-imperial strategy. The two cross paths only by accident.

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The Landscape they are training on, reminds me a lot of the American Plains states.

Did you see that meal they're eating? Yeah, that's tax payer money. They eating buffets and you're eating left overs. Guess who's keeping the beast running???

On the flip side, WW3 isn't going to be nation vs. nation, so clear that notion. When it all goes down, it will be righteous vs. unrighteous; right vs. wrong; good vs. evil. Once you understand that all nations' leaders are in on the plan, to destroy us, it will all sink in.

originally posted by: MrSpad

China finds Russia to be useful at picking away at US global domination. China finds the US to be useful as its largest trade partner, to keep ocean trade free and flowing and at keeping the rest of Asia inline and from getting trigger happy.

Your assessment here is wrong, although I agree on most of what you say.

First of all, let us take Russia and it's future. Russia not taking on NATO, over Ukraine is a Russian tactical military error. They're stupid, not to do it ... because their backs are no longer covered. NATO is moving in, on the other side. Russia has no imperial interests despite US/EU booming this, as Russia just sold it's only aircraft carrier. A carrier, it never finished building. Without an aircraft carrier, Russia has no ability to support it's troops outside of Russia and it's territories.

Russia is controlled by its ogliarchy, which is a criminal institution with close ties to the west. Remember, the US used the mafia in WWII. And has been allowing them to traffic opium ever since.

India and Pakistan, are two nations that have no relevance. India's populace is huge, but it's vital factor in the world is close to none. The only party here, that has any "powder" in it, is Iran. Now, Iran with Pakistan is a threat to India. This makes India a country that has enemies on all it's borders, including Russia. In a conflict, India will chose China, because China is the only country that can provide it with any border security.

Beyond Iran, you have Japan. Japan is a very stragedic country. It has a lot to offer, and it's ties with the US, makes an imbalance in Asia. The question here, about China's future ... is how they handle Japan. This will require a very subtle balance between threats and support. Japan, is also a key for China. This is where the battle will be fought ... if China can win over Japan, it's bye bye US ... go home Yankee.

So, Japan is the key to Asia ... all other nations, are proxies and not important. A war with them, isn't even of interest. Neither on the short term, or long term. Without Japan, the US will run out of real foothold in Asia. Japan, not Korea, is the anchor for the US. Ousting the US out of the rest of Asia, and sinking their little Island in the Indian ocean is a peace of cake after that.

The question is, weather China is actually on par with any such role. And I say "no" it isn't.

My take on things, is the following ... the US, Britain, France, Russia and China make up the five arms of the Pentagram, which the Pentagon is the center of. The nuclear technology was shared with these nations, on purpose by the US. And these nations, despite their "apparent" conflicts, never truly engage. They engage by proxy, but my take is that this engagement is restricted out of purpose.

Take Russia as an example. Such an idiotic mistake, not to take on NATO over Ukraine. Russia would win a jiffie, and it would mean a total collapse of Europe. Russia would have stood out as a victorer ... valiant. Instead, Putin comes along and STEALS the presidential elections. Followed by a new "Soviet" era of politics, of backing down against the US. Despite the "obvious" conflict of interest against Russia itself ... but the outright action taken by Putin, will most likely result in a "Russia collapse", in the end.

China is the same way ... it's a real question, weather China will ever go against the US. I seriously doubt it, I consider all these 5 nations, being backed up by the same financial interest group. They are 5 arms, of the same center ... and they're there to fool the rest of us. Because no matter what nations we belong to, we have different interests. And those who do not follow US interests, will chose Russian, for example. They're just unaware, that they are choosing the same side ... just with a different face.

And I take Ukraine as complete proof of my logic. There is no sane reason, why Russia should back down in Ukraine. None, what so ever. And there is no sane reason, why just prior to the Ukraine conflict, Putin steals the presidency. And we can all see with our bare eyes, the outright dislike amongst the Russian military and public over the decision, to let it go. A decision, that goes straight into the face of the Russians. That now have hundreds of thousands of refugees passing their borders, tens of thousands of dead ... and it's all downplayed as collateral damage in the west.

If this was happening against any other nation, but Russia and Putin ... it would be all out war.

And I say Russia is using the SCO, as a ruse for the "angry" Russian part. To direct them towards China, unaware that they are embracing a party that never will amount to anti-NATO or anti-US policy.

The big question in this, is China ... does it have the guts, to claim glory? does it have the intellectual capacity, to plan ahead for a victory?

Or will China, just be another Soviet Union ... a focal point for dissidents, while the world is being taken away from under their feet.

That is what I wonder.

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: MrSpad

China finds Russia to be useful at picking away at US global domination. China finds the US to be useful as its largest trade partner, to keep ocean trade free and flowing and at keeping the rest of Asia inline and from getting trigger happy.

Your assessment here is wrong, although I agree on most of what you say.

First of all, let us take Russia and it's future. Russia not taking on NATO, over Ukraine is a Russian tactical military error. They're stupid, not to do it ... because their backs are no longer covered. NATO is moving in, on the other side. Russia has no imperial interests despite US/EU booming this, as Russia just sold it's only aircraft carrier. A carrier, it never finished building. Without an aircraft carrier, Russia has no ability to support it's troops outside of Russia and it's territories.

Russia is controlled by its ogliarchy, which is a criminal institution with close ties to the west. Remember, the US used the mafia in WWII. And has been allowing them to traffic opium ever since.

India and Pakistan, are two nations that have no relevance. India's populace is huge, but it's vital factor in the world is close to none. The only party here, that has any "powder" in it, is Iran. Now, Iran with Pakistan is a threat to India. This makes India a country that has enemies on all it's borders, including Russia. In a conflict, India will chose China, because China is the only country that can provide it with any border security.

Beyond Iran, you have Japan. Japan is a very stragedic country. It has a lot to offer, and it's ties with the US, makes an imbalance in Asia. The question here, about China's future ... is how they handle Japan. This will require a very subtle balance between threats and support. Japan, is also a key for China. This is where the battle will be fought ... if China can win over Japan, it's bye bye US ... go home Yankee.

So, Japan is the key to Asia ... all other nations, are proxies and not important. A war with them, isn't even of interest. Neither on the short term, or long term. Without Japan, the US will run out of real foothold in Asia. Japan, not Korea, is the anchor for the US. Ousting the US out of the rest of Asia, and sinking their little Island in the Indian ocean is a peace of cake after that.

The question is, weather China is actually on par with any such role. And I say "no" it isn't.

My take on things, is the following ... the US, Britain, France, Russia and China make up the five arms of the Pentagram, which the Pentagon is the center of. The nuclear technology was shared with these nations, on purpose by the US. And these nations, despite their "apparent" conflicts, never truly engage. They engage by proxy, but my take is that this engagement is restricted out of purpose.

Take Russia as an example. Such an idiotic mistake, not to take on NATO over Ukraine. Russia would win a jiffie, and it would mean a total collapse of Europe. Russia would have stood out as a victorer ... valiant. Instead, Putin comes along and STEALS the presidential elections. Followed by a new "Soviet" era of politics, of backing down against the US. Despite the "obvious" conflict of interest against Russia itself ... but the outright action taken by Putin, will most likely result in a "Russia collapse", in the end.

China is the same way ... it's a real question, weather China will ever go against the US. I seriously doubt it, I consider all these 5 nations, being backed up by the same financial interest group. They are 5 arms, of the same center ... and they're there to fool the rest of us. Because no matter what nations we belong to, we have different interests. And those who do not follow US interests, will chose Russian, for example. They're just unaware, that they are choosing the same side ... just with a different face.

And I take Ukraine as complete proof of my logic. There is no sane reason, why Russia should back down in Ukraine. None, what so ever. And there is no sane reason, why just prior to the Ukraine conflict, Putin steals the presidency. And we can all see with our bare eyes, the outright dislike amongst the Russian military and public over the decision, to let it go. A decision, that goes straight into the face of the Russians. That now have hundreds of thousands of refugees passing their borders, tens of thousands of dead ... and it's all downplayed as collateral damage in the west.

If this was happening against any other nation, but Russia and Putin ... it would be all out war.

And I say Russia is using the SCO, as a ruse for the "angry" Russian part. To direct them towards China, unaware that they are embracing a party that never will amount to anti-NATO or anti-US policy.

The big question in this, is China ... does it have the guts, to claim glory? does it have the intellectual capacity, to plan ahead for a victory?

Or will China, just be another Soviet Union ... a focal point for dissidents, while the world is being taken away from under their feet.

That is what I wonder.

How would Russia take on NATO? Russia would be hard pressed to defeat just Ukraine alone. It is vastly out numbered by NATO in manpower, Aircraft and naval assets. Not to mention Russia's armed forced are a mess because of low morale and massive corruption. Russia knows this an thus it avoids starting anything with NATO.

Iran is nation already streached thin with supporting conflicst in Israel, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Not to mention the mess on its border call Afganistan. And the fact it has the Arab states and Israel as enemies. It would be of no use to Pakistan. And Pakistan itself will be lucky to hold itself together for another decade. That is one unstable state. And of Chinas long time backing of Pakistan againts India is just one problem between China and India.

And then you started with pentagrams and such and completely lost me...