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originally posted by: xDeadcowx
With religion, there are over 2000 different gods that have been imagined up and passed for real gods over the course of humanity. Each of these gods was individually, or as a group, the "One true God" right up until the point that they weren't.
"Perhaps the most compelling of evidences demonstrating that the Bible is the word of God is its unswerving ability to accurately predict future events, often in minute details. Specific prophesies are conspicuously absent from the 26 other religious books that claim to be scripture, including the Muslim's Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Hindu Vedas, and Buddhist writings. This in itself should be a major eye-opener to the honest skeptic. " Accuracy Of Prophecy
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
I think most people that use terms like that are purposefully baiting/antagonizing anyone who does believe In a higher power and I stay away from those threads all together.
Even if a real discussion was what they wanted, coming out with that sentence all but guarantees that nothing you say will be met with anything other than ridicule. It's instantly demeaning one's intelligence before the conversation can even be had.
I like your OP and how you look at it. I wish more could look at it that way instead of instantly just shutting anything and everything down once the topic comes up.
Hopefully you brought waders and water.
In your first paragraph you say that you stay away from those threads all together. I must be imagining that you posted a response?
originally posted by: tovenar
a reply to: PaulTheDuke
Sure. I enjoyed Carlin because he was actually a philosopher who employed comedy to explicate philosophical arguments.
His characterization of religion is 'reductio ad absurdum'. It is fantastic polemic, claiming to reveal while actually obscuring its target. As a comedy routine, it's emotionally satisfying, but as a critique it is thin as cardboard.
I went through my Nietzschean phase in college. But then I moved on.
Are we conscious? We believe we are, by the definitions and boundaries of what we feel is physical existence yet our minds can bring us to interesting places. So is consciousness real? Shared? How exactly do we know we share it? Maybe what we perceive as the world, conversations is like a program or something. We believe others are sharing it because we can discuss it, share feelings, reactions to stimuli but how do we truly know?
originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: olaru12
And all credibility you had just evaporated when you called the other poster a hypocrite. It goes both ways. The world won't change unless people learn to tolerate the beliefs and ideas of others.
People are entitled to their opinions. Civility matters, even on anonymous ATS.
All the best.
originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: olaru12
Nobody insulted you. You're just trying to rile people up and it doesn't work. All the best.
originally posted by: olaru12
Consciousness can be proven scientifically.
Religion and spiritually deals in faith, hope and wishful thinking!
I can prove I'm conscious because I'm responding to your thread. Can a supreme being do the same?
originally posted by: tovenar
Science is based on reproducible results. If you cannot reproduce results, it ain't science.
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Yes, people who believe in mystery, who want to learn about mystery, who believe that mystery has life-giving power, and makes life and love worth sharing, those people are deluded idiots who believe in fairy tales.
Science is beautiful. It is an incredible tool. So is a pipe wrench. But not every problem in life can be solved with a pipe wrench. You cannot build a house using only a pipe wrench. No, but you should live your life using only science. Because if it isn't science its dangerous and scary and you should try to get rid of it.
originally posted by: xDeadcowx
With religion, there are over 2000 different gods that have been imagined up and passed for real gods over the course of humanity. Each of these gods was individually, or as a group, the "One true God" right up until the point that they weren't.
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: tovenar
Religion, spirituality, et al is non-scientific BECAUSE it deals in states of consciousness.
Consciousness can be proven scientifically. Religion and spiritually deals in faith, hope and wishful thinking!
I can prove I'm conscious because I'm responding to your thread. Can a supreme being do the same?
btw....I don't have much faith in science either.
originally posted by: mangust69
why the dude in the headset (aura) is not called by extraterrestrial space civilisation planted clone operating bowels of the earth and the people in their selfish interests take gold blood water instead of shoving in the throat poison disguised as food and medicine vaccine GMO revolution war hunger if not their present blueblood clone in the management and the elite in all countries earth could be a paradise to many billions of goyims