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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Gryphon66
Was highly dubious of your figures for U.S. defence (ahem) spending. However a quick google search seems to confirm. (apologies for mentally doubting you).
That seems a ridiculous proportion of government spending.
I have to say, I am deeply troubled that you didn't see the very obvious and clear point being made here.....
I know this because it is very out of character for you......
and since I know you are a person that prefers facts over rhetoric and the truth over mere partisan agendas .....
You are really posting out of character Charles .......
That is just too obvious for you to have missed it .........
Surely, Charles must certainly have been familiar with the fact ........
Nelson calculated his statistic by the following method: “You take the US figures for GDP per state, divide it by population to come up with a GDP per capita figure. Then get the equivalent figure for Britain: I used the latest Treasury figures which also chime with the OECD’s.”
I can't believe that you were merely repeating such an oversimplified and hackneyed political statement so as to imply that the only options available to the American people are between taking money away from people to give away and buying weapons of war that have resulted in a minimum of 100,000 or so civilian deaths just in the last few overseas expeditions our government has undertaken.
Are you more comfortable with the government taking stuff from other people and using that stuff to buy weaponry that is then used, either by our government or other governments that we, in turn, hand out these weapons to, to murder innocent women and children and call it collateral damage?
I myself would rather have my money taken to purchase a phone for someone rather than having it taken to rain down Hellfire from above on kids.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: Gryphon66
Make sure you call in, now. I'd love to hear your explanation.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Oh, COME ON ... you posted bad information with an inflammatory title because it suits your political agenda.
Isn't there a T&C against posting intentional HOAXES as fact?