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Are you more comfortable with the government taking stuff from other people and using that stuff to buy weaponry that is then used, either by our government or other governments that we, in turn, hand out these weapons to, to murder innocent women and children and call it collateral damage?
I myself would rather have my money taken to purchase a phone for someone rather than having it taken to rain down Hellfire from above on kids.
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: xuenchen
Please don't take anything I said to be a major criticism. There are some subjects where one side will make a big issue of words. You know, "I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm an anti-Zionist." "Is that Socialist country failing? Oh, that's because it's not truly Socialist." "is that non-Socialist country succeeding? Well, that's because it has Socialist principles."
At other times, the words don't seem to matter so much. Things like "Ukraine, US, UK, Israel, Germany, Nato are all racist, Nazi, terrorist states bent on conquering the world." And "Islam is a religion of peace drawing undeserved hatred and Islamophobia from all over the world, they're just trying to survive."
Don't let the word "Socialism" throw you. Many sources have declared that there are currently only four socialist states in the world. Just about no one here knows what it means when it refers to a country, so it probably doesn't matter much.
It's only a word used to convey warm and fuzzy feelings if you want the government to take stuff from other people and give it to you. It will probably only clutter up the conversation here.
In regard to the question of whether Socialism pays, it depends what kind of payout you want. If you want economic growth, increased production, more "wealth," Socialism is one of the most widely documented failures in history.
But it has been used fairly successfully to get control over the people and route power to central bureaucrats. Many Americans like that idea. They believe the average American is too ignorant to make his own decisions, so government has to make them for him. Remember Bloomberg's 16 ounce soda ban? Or basically anyone still supporting Obama against the average person?
originally posted by: charles1952
When I work through your words I get "Would you rather be taxed to pay for the military or for social programs?"
It's a question that doesn't provide enough information to give an answer. Right now, the government spends ten cents out of each dollar for the military (Not counting what it pays to veterans for past service).
Is a dime out of each dollar too much for the military? Maybe, maybe not. But there's certainly no high horse in the area to climb up on.
Socialism is an economic model in which workers own the means of production. We have never seen this model implemented by a nation in the entire history of civilization.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: pikestaff
What average works out at 12k a year? Both mean and median is a lot higher?
Also if on 12k you would not pay 43% tax. Almost your full income would be under income tax threshold and indirect taxes do not come to 43% ( unless you spend a lot on alcohol and fags)