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Socialism Doesn’t Pay: Britain is Poorer Than Any US State But Mississippi

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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: Bazart

Good response.

You are on to something.




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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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Well, I was hoping to read and article with some substance, but instead we get a piece written by a "Breitbart alarmist" with figures from a UK conservative.

If you read the source piece, he admits to not having a REAL study to base this off of. He messes with some numbers and comes up with this conclusion.

Nice try, but no cigar.


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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

May I ask what version of planet earth are you referring to? UK socialist? yes, maybe in the 50's to the 70's (maybe), but since then we've had a seedy amount of right-centrist idiots manipulating the economy under the guise of Neo liberalism.

Maybe our health system is socialism at it's finest (and frowned upon by the right wing), but undoubtedly we're living in a fragmented and warped world of post-Thatcherism. Everything decent has been privatized.

OP needs to educate oneself.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

Liberals are Capitalists.


Which ones? The ones who're confused? J/K.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: mr-lizard

Please help me understand and become educated.




posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Bazart

Good response.

You are on to something.



No they are not. Labor unions began forming after the civil war to combat poor wages and working conditions. It has nothing to do with socialism.

And yes, the US government does have socialist programs to help our vets and the poor. But it is not to shut them up...it's to help them so they do not starve.

Of course, no response in one of your threads would be complete with out a few of these
and some of these
. But it doesn't change the fact that the entire premise of the thread and that particular response deserves nothing more than one of these :

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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

Liberals are Capitalists.


Which ones? The ones who're confused? J/K.


A true liberal is nothing more than a libertarian that believes we should have social safety nets and some social programs.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: sheepslayer247

You should be debating with the Member that made the original opinion.






posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This thread went just like the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

Never under estimate our brothers and sisters on the other side of the pond.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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Can anybody show us some real figures that show Britain's "Wealth" in comparison ?

So far only seeing many deflections.

Maybe it's all about *Debt* and *Credits* ?




posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Can you show that they're Socialist?



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Can anybody show us some real figures that show Britain's "Wealth" in comparison ?

So far only seeing many deflections.

Maybe it's all about *Debt* and *Credits* ?








posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:42 PM
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: xuenchen

What "socialist" Britain would that be. Jesus H. You US folks really need to learn how to read or interpret facts!. Right now the UK is governed by a right of centre , pro capitalist party,called the Conservative party. Your know the party that Margaret Thatcher led and was bussom buddiies of Reagan. The opposition, Labour, although nominally socialist but currently far from it and is an arguable left of centre mixed economy party that currently pays more attention to the whining rich and whining corporate leaders than its party roots....this is why the the party roots are abandoning it!

If you want to find countries that follow a more socialist ideology then look to the Nordic countries. Oh my God shock horror, high taxes, high welfare, no bitching, happy people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Capitalism is a failed system when applied to the whole economy (pro capitalist KNOW this and are fighting a reargaurd action, like this thread). It is perfect for non essential goods and services like a TV or Car or Sweets or Sports clothing etc etc. It is appalling bad when applied to essential goods and services like transport infrastructure, water, fuel, health care , education etc.


The very end of this post is 100% on target when in comes to capitalism. Well said and True.
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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Even the Nordic countries aren't really Socialist, they're more redistributive capitalism. Any nation that is claimed to be Socialist but does not have an economic model in which workers own the means of production... is a false claim. Billionaire puppeteers sure do love those muddy waters.
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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NYET it isn't, without mass exploitation capitalism would be fine.
Traditionally APPLIED socialism would not be accepted so we do....EVERYTHING ,America is a study in CHAOS that is our Republic.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Can anybody show us some real figures that show Britain's "Wealth" in comparison ?

So far only seeing many deflections.

Maybe it's all about *Debt* and *Credits* ?








What good would that be to you, given that we are not a socialist society?

Seriously, all you would be doing is comparing figures on two capitalist societies (or did you miss the dozen times it has been made clear in the thread)


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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:55 PM
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Just to look at an, in my opinion, more socialist country than the UK, Norway, A country with a fiscal reserve of about $850 billion. What state in the capitalist USA can beat that figure.
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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List of countries by GDP, Britain is 6th with 2.471.600 that's trillion$ en.wikipedia.org...(nominal)

List of US states by GDP, California is top with 1,891,363 that's trillions$ again.
en.wikipedia.org...

So that's Britain with nearly double what California has GDP, I'm am by no means an expert but to me that would make Britain the wealthiest state would it not.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Can anybody show us some real figures that show Britain's "Wealth" in comparison ?

So far only seeing many deflections.

Maybe it's all about *Debt* and *Credits* ?





It's tough to find an equal comparison because the way this article came to their conclusion is through manipulating the numbers by injecting the PPP's of GDP...which are based on the US dollar. So of course the US would have a perfect score of 1.00, while the UK has a score of 0.70. There is a reason that the PPP measurements are bad to use because it's only considered a theoretical way to measure wealth and there are many differing theories on which calculation method is best to use.

We could look at income disparity, but you would not like to measure the UK against the US based on the Gini coefficient because wealth in the UK is more even among it's citizens and the US ranks in income disparity towards the top on par with fricken Mexico.

In 2012, Credit Suisse produced a report that stated there were 15 or 17 (sry, cant remember off the top of my head) countries that a citizen had a better chance to make money. Included was France, Germany the UK and Norway and Singapore.
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