Socialism Doesn’t Pay: Britain is Poorer Than Any US State But Mississippi

Here's a hot one.

Looks like somebody did some "research" and came up with a LuLu comparison.

Britain is poorer than all the U.S. States except for Mississippi !!!

WOW.

I don't know what comparisons and statistics were used (if any), but this sure does put a big spotlight on "Socialism" in general.

Is Progressive.Socialism a genuine "Jewel" or a *Cubic Zirconia* like a rubber check ? ? ?

Fraser Nelson of The Spectator did some number crunching recently and found a shocking fact: Britain is poorer than every State in the USA but one.

As Nelson wrote on August 22, “if Britain were to somehow leave the EU and join the US … we’d be the 2nd-poorest state in the union, poorer than Missouri. Poorer than the much-maligned Kansas and Alabama. Poorer than any state other than Mississippi, and if you take out the south east we’d be poorer than that too.”

This is both shocking and disheartening, especially to American liberals. The liberals all assume that Great Britain is still the jewel of Europe ..........................

Socialism Doesn’t Pay: Britain is Poorer Than Any US State But Mississippi

Why haven't "Socialists" solved

the big Debt problems yet ?

I find this kind of shocking myself. I hope we have some of our British members come and weigh in on this. I've never liked socialism myself, but I suppose I never really thought about our neighbors and how they deal with it or even if they consider what they have socialism (on more than healthcare). I would really like to have a member that has lived in both places long enough weigh in and see if they noticed a difference for better/worse.

To be almost where Mississippi is... I would have never thought.

ETA - I admit to being woefully ignorant on whether what Britain has is socialism or not. I feel like I should know more, but I do not. Hopefully I can learn more right now.

a reply to: xuenchen

Denmark is wealthy, and is more socialist than Britain.
So this isn't really a very good argument is it?

a reply to: xuenchen

The UK is Socialist? When did that happen?

Seriously, we are run by the same bankers and corporate interests as the US, so no Socialism here.

I thought the US was a Capitalist run country, but it sure doesn't look too good over there either. Not that most people would realise that given the amount of "cooking of the books" that goes on to paint a rosier picture than in fact exists in reality.

We are a capitlist society, have been for the last four years or so, labour got voted out, the conservatives share power with the Lib Dems, not that you would know it, as mostly tory policies have been implemented.

So in other words capitalism doesn't work, I don't need a study to tell me that, I'm living the reality!

a reply to: Britguy

Not to HIM tovarisht (sic)

UK used to be socialist until the 1980's. Our worst times were in the 1970's, when the daily news was filled with a never-ending stream of news reports about wildcat strikes, labor disputes and all-out picket lines. Things like the Miners strike, the Toxteth riots, the Wapping dispute. Then laws against union strikes were tightened, and things became more capitalist. Depending on your profession, salaries either remain high or have fallen.

The average British salary is £20K/year or $40K . But salaries vary from profession to profession; GP's (house doctors) can earn £120K/year. Managers can earn up to £70K, Engineers/programmers can earn up to £60K, maybe double that if in banking. Getting Security Clearance can double your salary because it is so hard to obtain.

More recently, foreign students were *paying* to get internships (£12K/year), and salaries had dropped. I was offered £15K in the UK, and was able to earn four times as much in Europe.

a reply to: xuenchen

Just an opinion : ' socialism ' as we have known it , was created as an act of pre-emption . That is , like Ford and Rockafeller creating ' labor unions ' in America ( before REAL labor unions could happen ) ... the Europeans created ' socialism ' , before REAL social reform could happen . Why pre-emption ? Build something you can control before something controls you . Both socialisms were created ; ' national ' and ' soviet ' for this reason , only IMO .

America is ' national ' : we have socialist programs mainly for people who serve the nationalist state ( vets and gov't workers ) , and those ( welfare recipients of other sorts ) whom we wish to SHUT UP , lest we put them in a camp , or kill them . IMO.

Oh , and we also take care of our ' Schindlers ' - who have their own boardroom version of ' collective ' .

Britain is much more socialist than the US, but in all fairness, liberals who trumpet socialism often point to small, homogenous countries like the Scandinavian ones when they crow about how great socialism is while completely forgetting that the US is neither small nor at all close to having the degree of homogeneity those countries enjoyed until recently.

a reply to: xuenchen

It's funny that you say Socialism when they've been under austerity for how many years now? You really get off on people suffering if you can twist it to support your demonizations, don't you?

a reply to: ketsuko

Liberals are Capitalists.

A better comparison would be Mississippi and Norway

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

Liberals are Capitalists.

No, not really.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, yes really.

I expect that if you looked into this would turn out to be bs

We ain't doing all that bad over here

I'm sure the Americas unemployment is a lot higher

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

Liberals are Capitalists.

No, not really.

Actually, I don't know about as a collective, but going on a country by country basis, I can only speak for England, here the Liberal Demorcrats are billed as being middle of the way, partly right wing, partly left wing, although I woud say they is a bias towards the left slightly.

a reply to: xuenchen

What "socialist" Britain would that be. Jesus H. You US folks really need to learn how to read or interpret facts!. Right now the UK is governed by a right of centre , pro capitalist party,called the Conservative party. Your know the party that Margaret Thatcher led and was bussom buddiies of Reagan. The opposition, Labour, although nominally socialist but currently far from it and is an arguable left of centre mixed economy party that currently pays more attention to the whining rich and whining corporate leaders than its party roots....this is why the the party roots are abandoning it!

If you want to find countries that follow a more socialist ideology then look to the Nordic countries. Oh my God shock horror, high taxes, high welfare, no bitching, happy people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Capitalism is a failed system when applied to the whole economy (pro capitalist KNOW this and are fighting a reargaurd action, like this thread). It is perfect for non essential goods and services like a TV or Car or Sweets or Sports clothing etc etc. It is appalling bad when applied to essential goods and services like transport infrastructure, water, fuel, health care , education etc.

a reply to: xuenchen

Real independent information there. Probably won't take to long to completely discredit the obviously biased source.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

' ... rearguard action , like this thread ' . Star for you .

I hope you are right even though bankers , like terrorists - rarely have a front or rear ...

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

It's funny that you say Socialism when they've been under austerity for how many years now? You really get off on people suffering if you can twist it to support your demonizations, don't you?

No

Not

really.