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originally posted by: Bone75
I'd simply like you to back up your claim instead of moving the goalposts.
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: windword
And how did Christians react? The guy no longer has a church, that's how.
Although gay rights and anti-hate groups responded with outrage when a North Carolina pastor called for gays and lesbians to be fenced in so they eventually die off, he was greeted with a standing ovation by his church members when he approached the pulpit, the Hickory Record reported.
“I appreciate all the support,” Pastor Charles Worley told the 100 or so congregants at Providence Road Baptist Church near Maiden, N.C., on Sunday, according to the Record. Several members stood and spoke out; others threw up their hands in support of their pastor.
“I’ve got a King James Bible,” Worley said, according to the Record. “I’ve been a preacher for 53 years. Do you think I’m going to bail out on this?”
originally posted by: Bone75
Anyway, as a pretty fundamental Christian myself, I strongly disagree with this bigoted poser. So strongly that I don't even believe he's for real.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc
Okay. Define personhood then. Instead of dodging with semantics, supply us with your definition.
First and foremost, a person is someone who has been born.
originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: NavyDoc
That's good, you're getting it, capability.
Or another word, viability.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc
Okay. Define personhood then. Instead of dodging with semantics, supply us with your definition.
First and foremost, a person is someone who has been born.
I believe person is a legal term that refers to human individuals. In this context, individual is the key word. A fetus is not a distinct and separate individual until the moment of birth when it is no longer a fetus but a person.
originally posted by: windword
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: windword
And how did Christians react? The guy no longer has a church, that's how.
Really? Got a citation for that claim?
Standing ovation greets Pastor Charles Worley, who made anti-gay statements
Although gay rights and anti-hate groups responded with outrage when a North Carolina pastor called for gays and lesbians to be fenced in so they eventually die off, he was greeted with a standing ovation by his church members when he approached the pulpit, the Hickory Record reported.
“I appreciate all the support,” Pastor Charles Worley told the 100 or so congregants at Providence Road Baptist Church near Maiden, N.C., on Sunday, according to the Record. Several members stood and spoke out; others threw up their hands in support of their pastor.
“I’ve got a King James Bible,” Worley said, according to the Record. “I’ve been a preacher for 53 years. Do you think I’m going to bail out on this?”
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: windword
Here's a bunch of them for you
HATE IN THE MAINSTREAM
www.splcenter.org...
“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. … They ought to go.”
—MARION BARRY, Washington, D.C., city councilman and former mayor, who later apologized for his April 3 comment
originally posted by: NavyDoc
But why? What magic happens at birth that makes one go from not human to human or a person?
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A national anti-LGBT hate group will hold a nationally-broadcast “Star-Spangled Sunday” at First Baptist Church on Sunday, Sept. 14, featuring U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R).
Other guests at the event include the Family Research Council’s president, Tony Perkins, as well as Jason and David Benham, twin anti-gay evangelicals and sons of anti-gay street preacher Flip Benham who lost a show on HGTV after backlack due to their radical activism opposing LGBT equality and women’s health.
The event is sponsored by the Family Research Council, a Washington, D.C.-based anti-LGBT advocacy group the Southern Poverty Law Center has named a hate group. The Montgomery, Ala.-based SPLC says the council’s “specialty is defaming gays and lesbians” and that it “makes false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science.”
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
BOTH of the KOCH bros are lesser deamon to SOROS but BOTH are two party hacks anyway so ...NO. YOU don't define us WE will.WE are the middle and WE are the party not some construct of either party to screw us up because we THREATEN the statis QUO.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: NavyDoc
But why? What magic happens at birth that makes one go from not human to human or a person?
It's not magic. It's simply birth. Being born. Distinct and separate from its host. Viability.
Small children, infants, people under anesthesia, in ICUs, people with disabilities, mental retardation, etc. are ALL born. Distinct and separate individuals.
By the way, that's what I think. It's what I believe. It's my opinion. Why are you trying to change people's opinions? Why are you pushing your views on other people? You are free to have your views on the issue. Go and join a group to deny women rights to their own bodies, if you want to. Why are you so intent on having people agree with you?
Oh, and if you think it's just a small minority of people who share the Pastor's anti-gay opinions, you're simply not very informed. The Christian/Political anti-gay bandwagon is more determined and more focused than ever. This article is about a First Baptist Church, run by Rev. Mark Harris, who ran for Senate this year. Harris ALSO supported an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in North Carolina. They are worming their way into government at every opportunity. And there are MANY more like him.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A national anti-LGBT hate group will hold a nationally-broadcast “Star-Spangled Sunday” at First Baptist Church on Sunday, Sept. 14, featuring U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R).
Other guests at the event include the Family Research Council’s president, Tony Perkins, as well as Jason and David Benham, twin anti-gay evangelicals and sons of anti-gay street preacher Flip Benham who lost a show on HGTV after backlack due to their radical activism opposing LGBT equality and women’s health.
The event is sponsored by the Family Research Council, a Washington, D.C.-based anti-LGBT advocacy group the Southern Poverty Law Center has named a hate group. The Montgomery, Ala.-based SPLC says the council’s “specialty is defaming gays and lesbians” and that it “makes false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science.”
Anti-Gay Hate Group to Bring Cruz and Huckabee to First Baptist
This is not just a handful of some backwoods fundies we're talking about. It's quite mainstream, with several 2016 presidential possibilities encouraging and leading the pack.
Please point out where I have attempted to push any sort of view on anyone. All I've been doing is challenging people eto think logically and step out of their dogmatic comfort zone.
This is the rub, RE abortion. If, and I emphasize the IF, the unborn is another person, when does one person have the right to kill another? Self defense, obviously is one reason I can see.
So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?
Does one individual, assuming for the sake of argument that an unborn baby is a person, have the right to kill another one?
My distinctions make perfect sense. When is it or should it be permissible to kill another person and how are we going to define another person.
I'm not trying to blur the point. When is it justified to take the life of another human being?