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Pastor calls to imprison gays for ‘ten years hard labor’ with new constitutional amendment

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posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Still trolling around to try and find the wackiest Christian out there huh? Meanwhile we have Muslims killing hundreds by the day! But this pastor guy, he's really dangerous right? Wow.


I know I'd feel a lot safer knowing you were over there protecting us from those Godless bastards.

While we take care of the Dimionists here in the homeland.

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posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: beezzer
The difference is, I consider an unborn person, a person who simply isn't born yet.


That's fine. That's what YOU consider an unborn. Behave that way in your life. Exercise your personal freedom to treat it as such. Forcing others to behave according to your beliefs is what people have a problem with. Which is what the preacher in the OP is trying to do - force his personal beliefs through law.


So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?


No. I wouldn't.

A living child has to be raised, fed, schooled, loved etc.

When every living child already on this planet has quality of life, including the above mentioned (raised, fed, schooled, loved) ----- then I'll consider thinking about it.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Well I hope he wasn't awarded that position. So I guess that means a pastor position is pretty meaningless in real life.


I don't see it as much as once did but every once in a while I still do. The reserved parking for "clergy". I never understood why they had that at places like shopping centers. I couldn't care less about churches and such but the mall. Eh... anyway the guy's a prick.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?


Would I be OK with it? No. But I don't agree with all laws and I break some and I obey some. What you put forth would be denying the privacy rights and basic autonomy of the woman. But I would still practice MY belief in MY life and not force my belief on others by way of the law.

By the way, my objection has NOTHING to do with religion. I believe life begins at conception and I would never have an abortion unless it threatened my life. That's my PERSONAL belief. But I apply it only to me because I REALLY believe in personal choice. I don't just pay it lip service.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So believing that murder is wrong should just be an individual choice, not something to discourage?



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
I believe life begins at conception and I would never have an abortion unless it threatened my life.


I believed that too, until I had to choose between the quality of life of my 2 living children and bringing a 3rd into an already difficult situation.

It wasn't just divorce, I had health issues. I wanted my living children to have THEIR life. Not be forced into taking on the adult role of not only taking care of a sick mother, but a new infant as well.

CHOICE is the right of the individual.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So believing that murder is wrong should just be an individual choice, not something to discourage?


You're attempting to twist my words (a sign of a poor debater), and that's not what I said. Believing that abortion is "murder" is a personal belief. It's your belief and you are welcome to it.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg

TOL JA. We disagree on a great deal I know but THAT ain't me or ANYONE I know .MAYBE could spend 5 minutes around him without DECKING the guy. DON'T do that to your SKULL .
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posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Except, just a few posts ago you put up this gem...


That's what Marxists are calling themselves these days as "liberal" has gone out of favor as has "leftist."


So you bemoan me for painting all conservatives with a wide brush, yet here you are doing the exact same thing, calling all liberals and those left of center Marxists.

That's why you get stuck with this guy, why this is part of the conservative leadership.

If y'all were honest on this board instead of trying to showcase your political movement in the best light possible, people might see conservatism for what it truly is and social conservatism would actually die like it's supposed to, and the country would be far better off.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: NavyDoc
So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?


Would I be OK with it? No. But I don't agree with all laws and I break some and I obey some. What you put forth would be denying the privacy rights and basic autonomy of the woman. But I would still practice MY belief in MY life and not force my belief on others by way of the law.

By the way, my objection has NOTHING to do with religion. I believe life begins at conception and I would never have an abortion unless it threatened my life. That's my PERSONAL belief. But I apply it only to me because I REALLY believe in personal choice. I don't just pay it lip service.


I'm not arguing from a religious perspective as I have none.

Does one individual, assuming for the sake of argument that an unborn baby is a person, have the right to kill another one? Why should a shop owner lack the autonomy to refuse service--not harm, not injure, not poison, but simply not serve--someone but a woman should have the autonomy to kill another person?



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?



Can a person really be dead if their heart is beating in another's body? Can a pregnant woman be considered dead if her body is being kept alive by machines in order to keep her fetus alive?

Science can't pinpoint a time of death any more than can it can pin point a time when life begins.

So, no to your question, even though you didn't ask me.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: NavyDoc

Except, just a few posts ago you put up this gem...


That's what Marxists are calling themselves these days as "liberal" has gone out of favor as has "leftist."


So you bemoan me for painting all conservatives with a wide brush, yet here you are doing the exact same thing, calling all liberals and those left of center Marxists.

That's why you get stuck with this guy, why this is part of the conservative leadership.

If y'all were honest on this board instead of trying to showcase your political movement in the best light possible, people might see conservatism for what it truly is and social conservatism would actually die like it's supposed to, and the country would be far better off.


What I said was truthful. "Progressive" was coined by the left to describe themselves because other terms that they previously used to describe themselves--liberal, Marxist, socialist, etc.--stopped playing well with the public. Don't bitch at me, your movement was the one that coined the term to use for themselves. In a couple of years, you'll be using something else.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: beezzer
The difference is, I consider an unborn person, a person who simply isn't born yet.


That's fine. That's what YOU consider an unborn. Behave that way in your life. Exercise your personal freedom to treat it as such. Forcing others to behave according to your beliefs is what people have a problem with. Which is what the preacher in the OP is trying to do - force his personal beliefs through law.


So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?


No. I wouldn't.

A living child has to be raised, fed, schooled, loved etc.

When every living child already on this planet has quality of life, including the above mentioned (raised, fed, schooled, loved) ----- then I'll consider thinking about it.


Okay, so quality of life is what determines if someone's life should be ended or not? Should we kill everyone in third world #holes because their life sucks? Genocide in the ghetto? Euthanasia for mentally or physically disabled?

Is that the measuring stick a society should use for ending someone's life and if so, why stop at birth? Why not extend that to little kids who have an awful life?



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I have never thought of this argument as a means to SAVE a CHILD if it threatens the MOTHERS life . ( an OBVIOUS thing and the PARENTS must choose DAD ,if he HASN'T run off or raped her anyway ,AND mom)

Abortion because of a mistake of youth .money issues or because YOU'RE NOT READY ? THAT is what I fight against.
WE HAVE adoption I WAS ONE(secret too). I guess the solution would be for the STATE to subsidize the process.

Not what I know alot about pregnancy and all but...it 's still DEATH.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc




So if the government makes a law, using the electroencephalogram and the criteria we currently use to determine human life at the end of life, that provides that an unborn child is indeed a living human with all of the rights thereof as determined by science and not religion, would you be okay with that?



Can a person really be dead if their heart is beating in another's body? Can a pregnant woman be considered dead if her body is being kept alive by machines in order to keep her fetus alive?

Science can't pinpoint a time of death any more than can it can pin point a time when life begins.

So, no to your question, even though you didn't ask me.


If you were on cardiopulmonary bypass, and your heart was not beating at all and someone came in and unplugged you, they would be convicted of murder. Why should they? Your heart was not beating at all, much less "inside another person's body."

I can't pinpoint when life begins, but I can certainly demonstrate it when it exists. At our current level of science, brainwaves = life in a legal standpoint. Seems to me that an EEG is an objective and scientific means of determining life. After all, we already do so in end of life situations.
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posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Still trolling around to try and find the wackiest Christian out there huh? Meanwhile we have Muslims killing hundreds by the day! But this pastor guy, he's really dangerous right? Wow.


thank you



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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Can I ask what may seems like a stupid question but WTH has abortion got to do with this topic?



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

A fetus isn't a baby, neither is a zygote, until the fetus is viable outside the womb, it's for all intents and purposes a parasite.

But whether or not you let this parasite gestate and come to full term is up to the one who will have to deal with the outcome of her choice.

Don't equate it with murder, cause if that were true brushing your teeth would be genocide.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
Can I ask what may seems like a stupid question but WTH has abortion got to do with this topic?


Basically any conservative that is anti-abortion but thinks this pastor is an asshat is cherry-picking and not sticking together with this "conservative" pastor.

There seems to be some general irritation because those of us who lean conservative aren't supporting this nutcase.

We're discussing the dichotomy of the situation because we aren't fitting into the mold made for us by the more liberal-progressive members.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Congratulations for describing murder. Now, pin point the time of life's beginning and its death.

Your hypothesis can't happen, as scientists will never agree on a platform that defines a point in the circle of life, where it begins or ends.

Even so, the legal and the medical community has agreed that the unborn should be protected after viability. Perhaps you think that an electroencephalogram can change the ability of a fetus to live outside the womb?




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