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Yes. That's why the legal limit thing would never work.
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: addygrace
Really it comes down to this. The legal limit will never be the real threshold, because that means many of us have been raped. That doesn't seem coherent with reality. A jury isn't gonna convict on the legal limit argument. Any public defender could get it dismissed before it ever got to a jury, if there are no other circumstances that would point to rape. The legal limit argument has no proof unless you get a breathalyzer or a blood test as soon as you have sex.
What it really comes down to is people who accuse others of rape, be them female or male, had better have proof.
originally posted by: luciddream
Or people can follow their common sense.
Do not take drinks from strangers.
When geting drinks, watch it being poured from the bottle.
Know when to stop drinking.
Have good friends with you and never go alone.
originally posted by: Jennyfrenzy
a reply to: 00nunya00
I don't see anyone say anything remotely encouraging other members to rape women just because they're drunk.
If someone has gotten to the blackout point and doesn't remember anything, how can they remember not giving consent or saying no? This is where the slope gets super slippery.
If I was a juror, I would have a hard time convicting someone for raping someone that was blacked out, both parties may have been blacked out for all we know. If a victim was tipsy/drunk and still has memories of the event and clearly stated NO that's for sure rape. How can we be so sure that in the moment both parties weren't willing participators?
I had a drinking problem from self medicating from 2010-2013 and use to drink like a rockstar and blackout all the time, sometimes my husband and friends didn't even realize I had been drinking. How is someone else supposed to know how drunk someone is? The tell tale signs like stumbling and slurring words aren't always that obvious, especially with people that drink all the time and have high tolerances.
Drinking lowers the inhibitions and causes people to do things they normally wouldn't do in their day to day lives. (I am a victim of sexual assault myself and I'm not saying rape is ok, just that there are always many different variables and blacking out from drinking too much is one of them.)
originally posted by: intrepid
You obviously don't have a Y chromosome. Dude's don't look at it quite the same way. When they get rubbed they're expecting something.
originally posted by: 00nunya00
*snip*
Women are LEGALLY protected under the LEGALY-INCONSENTUAL state of drunkenness, just like they are held LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for being in that incapacitated state while driving.
Look it up. This is not my opinion.
Legally drunk doesn't mean a woman can't say "yes" to sex, any more than it means a guy can't.
I've tried to find where this is the law, I couldn't. Even if it is the law, which I'll take your word for, it's utterly useless in a court of law without other factors. A guy would need proof that he's over the legal limit to claim some rapist girl raped him.
originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Legally drunk doesn't mean a woman can't say "yes" to sex, any more than it means a guy can't.
It does though. That's the law. I don't understand why people are arguing that it isn't. Go look it up. The information has been provided in the thread. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't really matter.
If a woman is drunk, she can not legally give consent. Some of the comments in this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Getting sexually excited by a woman does not give you permission to have sex with her. It doesn't matter if she grabbed it, ground up against you or was wearing a slutty outfit, if she's drunk don't have sex with her. Disagree with the law all you want, but cover your ass. If she's drunk or at ANY point says "Stop" or "No" you have to stop or it's rape. Don't tell me you can't stop, that's BS. It's not fun, but it's not impossible. Sure beats jail.
I think the law is a little stupid and easily manipulated. It's certainly not perfect. I don't feel like getting drunk with my girlfriend and having sex is rape, and neither does she. I do feel like you're in dangerous water if you go out and pick up some random girl from the bar that's drunk. I've known people who can be absolutely hammered and seem fairly sober. It also seems a little odd that you are responsible for all actions you take when drunk, except sex.
This law is basically zero tolerance because it's hard to draw the line in the right place.
Oh, the nail polish seems like a good idea. Not as great as the straw, but a good idea nonetheless. Gotta say if I was at a bar chatting up a woman and she kept rape testing her drink I would probably RUN. There's a difference between being savvy and thinking all guys are out to rape everyone. It gets a little insulting listening to some feminists who think everything is rape. He hit on me, rape. He asked for my number, rape. The men's right's activists and ultra feminists are more obnoxious than militant vegans.
I was drunk or they were drunk - does that mean it isn't rape?
Alcohol and drugs are not an excuse – or an alibi. The key question is still: did you consent or not? Regardless of whether you were drunk or sober, if the sex is nonconsensual, it is rape. However, because each state has different definitions of “nonconsensual”, please contact your local center or local police if you have questions about this. (If you were so drunk or drugged that you passed out and were unable to consent, it was rape. Both people must be conscious and willing participants.)
skank face
originally posted by: karmicecstasy
Just had a talk with my better half about this after she got home. She agrees with what I posted a couple pages ago. That the girl bears some responsibility if she gets drunk says yes, gave no indication that she did not want to have sex, then wakes up the next day and tries to cry rape.
But wait theres more. She also just got off the phone with her friend who is a lawyer. Her friend is also a woman. Her friend said that the argument that a girl is drunk so she can not give consent at all, even if she said yes during. Will not hold up in court. At least here in Chicago. That it can not really be proved that she was too drunk to say yes. Any good lawyer would tear that argument to pieces. There has to be other proof that it was rape.
Now on to the actual topic of the thread. A nail polish that does this would be great. No one can argue that it would not be.
originally posted by: Bob Sholtz
a reply to: InTheLight
another scenario: a woman drinks some at the bar, then goes home with a guy she met. they've both been drinking. they both agree to sex. she wakes up in the morning, regrets nothing, and goes home with a hangover.
now, exact same story except she regrets it and accuses him of rape.
the man becomes guilty of rape HOURS after the actual event. is this quantum physics or something?! Schrodinger could have called it "intoxicated woman in a box" what that reasoning.
i know a girl personally who has slept with over 30 guys and claims that "about half" of them raped her. her bff later told me in confidence "that's just the way she regrets things". what. i'm sorry if a woman has regrets but we shouldn't ruin the guy's life over it when they both consented.