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SC police beat man in Walmart as horrified shoppers beg officers to stop

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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

I am only hypothesizing and I do know that there was the movie, "young guns" that had a hint of this notion and while it was based on a true story and recommended viewing, it does show how the law was interpreted and/or could be considered applicable.

If you saw a police officer, do a hit a run and who may be under the influence, speed away from the crime scene and swerving and you were in your car following the office and witnessed it all...?

Who would you call and what would you do? Get license plate number, video tape and then wonder if the officer is going to be still on patrol tomorrow and you become a target for scrutiny and since the office, in this scenario hypothesized, could sober up and not get manslaughter DUI charges, if the office is allowed to leave the scene of the crime and by not pursuing, one is essentially not exercising their rights, to the fullest extent of the law and allowances?

However for a actual recent cases and attempts by citizens to make arrest of law enforcement personal for referencing and reviewing without hijacking this thread.



Would cite this ATS discussion
without reviewing it thoroughly)

www.abovetopsecret.com...
How to perform a citizen's arrest on a criminal police officer? policing the police?

www.theguardian.com...



www.dailymail.co.uk...
Jan 18, 2013 - A South African man performed a citizens arrest on Sunday when he suspected that a police officer was drunk driving, the Witness reported.

Motorist performs citizen's arrest on policeman and locks him in his own marked van after seeing him 'drink driving'

Russell George noticed officer driving erratically in South African town
After smelling alcohol on the officer's breath he took action into own hands
Locked unnamed officer in his own van while waiting for police to arrive
Witness described the officer as 'sloshed' and said he was crying




posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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HAHA human policing human.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: dojozen

I hear you, I would love for that banned-member's thread to be true, but seriously, how do I prove in court that I wasn't "interfering with the arrest" of someone, or "obstructing justice" when that LEO is "arresting" someone else? If a LEO is driving drunk, then sure, we have a few cases to prove this. If a LEO is breaking the law outside an "arrest", then we have precedent.

But when they are "arresting" someone, you have to stand back and let them do it. Period. Otherwise, you get thrown in the slammer and no one will care what your opinion about the arrest was.

That's just the reality.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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Now, the rest of the story.


A man, later identified as Sandon Matthew Sierad, stood at an electronics checkout counter for approximately 10 minutes and never attempted to make a purchase.

Sierad waited until an employee walked away from the cash register and he walked behind the counter and removed a cash box from underneath the register before being confronted by management.

Management advised Sierad he needed to leave the property and he was escorted to the front of the store.

Once at the front of the store, Sierad entered the Hair Salon area rather than leaving as ordered by Walmart management. Sierad got into an altercation with employees inside the Salon and still refused to leave the business.

Sierad eventually walked out of the Salon and exited Walmart. Due to Sierad’s erratic behavior, the employees of the Salon were afraid for their safety and closed and locked the security gate. Sierad attempted to come back inside the Salon after he had already exited Walmart. Sierad stated to an employee as he was walking back in the store that he had a bomb but was not found to be in possession of any explosive device at the time of arrest.

An employee at the Hair Salon calls 911 at 1:10 pm regarding Sierad causing a disturbance.

Sierad exited Walmart a second time and is seen walking to his White Dodge pickup truck which was parked in the parking lot close to the entrance/exit doors.

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A lot went on before this video in the OP...

I found it comforting that the lady taking the video was asking the police to stop hitting him in the head. She was very concerned for a fellow human no matter the race.
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: DaphneApollo

Soooo....he broke the law. Doesn't change anything. No one here was under the impression that he was innocent of any crime. The discussion at hand is how the LEOs treated him upon arrest.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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I can not belive this.
in the old days they just beat you up in the jail.
Sighs, impatients!



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

He was not complying, was told not to do what he did. Even the lady taking the vid asked him to stop fighting/resisting for his own good, so the Police wouldn't hit him. Yes, understood. BUT, there are two sides to EVERY story.

Deny Ignorance indeed.

No, the police are too brutal , agreed. I've seen worse than this and they weren't police, just undercover. When you evade authority, you will be apprehended/pursued if you don't comply, they will get you in those cuffs/restraints eventually, however they can.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

And yet the facts are still unknown. All we see is the middle of the situation. We do not see the very start what the man was doing to have the police called. Nor have we seen the end result of the medical testing. All we see is the middle. Kind of reminds me of another case, Rodney King. You remember, the video that caused the LA riots, cause everyone thought the police were being excessive on the man. Course they never saw the police chase, and it did not come out until later that Rodney was high as a kite on crystal, and it certainly did not come out until later how this man, being high on crystal resisted all non lethal force, such as being tazed. All of that came out during the trial. All that was seen was the video in the middle of the events, where they were having to subdue him.

The ultimate point is that such needs to be investigated.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Funny you should bring up Rodney King. Let's all watch the entire 10 minutes of him being "arrested" (READ: BEATEN) just for the lulz.

Because some of us were too young, or didn't have CNN, or whatever.

Let's do that.

Rodney King indeed.


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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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It may be the lesser or greater of crimes/charges.

For example, if the officer is committing a felony, when arresting a suspect, by assaulting with a deadly weapon and the witness sees the officer, apprehending the robber suspect and let's say, the person is not resisting the arrest and the officer is for all practical and logical considerations, committing assault and battery with a deadly weapon, be it a stun gun or their baton, or heal of their boots to the head, in a manner that the witness, views as excessive and let's say, so does the other on lookers and witnesses, who all agree, that it is excessive force and in order to prevent a homicide, they have to stop the arresting officer, to avoid the greater of the two evils.

So, lesser of two evils, would be the defense and supported by severity of the crime, as nullification of who had the authority and if the citizen making the arrest and detaining the officer, followed the proper legal guidelines, as the officer may resist arrest and then it becomes, how much force is allowed, if the officer resists and does not desist and continues to commit bodily harm and injury, that the witness views and feels is a criminal act and arrest, is the only option, besides turning the cheek and blind eye to the crime.

Child has a toy gun and you see a Police officer pointing a gun at the child and threatening the child with arrest and lethal force, and it is a misunderstanding and just a BB gun, though the witnesses see the officer maybe tell the child to put their hands up and for whatever reason, the child is not responding, turns out child is deaf and everyone knows, except the officer, who is looking like they are going to shoot the child.. do you intervene before the crime is committed or wait?



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00
Ten minutes? He was only beaten for 2 minutes for not complying.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: dojozen

I just....I can't even. Not tonight, not while my blood is already boiling on this subject.


I am a white, 34-year-old mother-of-two, and one of those is an autistic boy who will be a teenager in 12 years' time (read: a threat to the cops, if he is tall enough, because he does not even know better than to throw a tantrum when challenged).

And I cannot even reply to you tonight. I have already been riled by mods on another thread on this board today, and I do not want to reply tonight when I am so angry over injustice in so many disgusting forms.

Please allow me 24-48 to respond to your post rationally, and not in my impassioned state.

Thank you. I appreciate your patience. I will update the Ferguson threads tonight, and nothing else. I can't even. I just can't. Thank you for your understanding.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I expect there to be protests and riots because of this.........

*crickets, crickets*

Just saying

If the lack of response from the public doesnt make it clear the agenda behind some of these things , then I dont know what does......


I wish to hell there was. And it wouldn't stop until they stepped down and where replaced by councils of citizens and the law put in to be able to fire any and all elected leaders and judges swiftly at the people's consent to do so. And at the same percentage it took to vote them in, say 40% in average.
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: 00nunya00

I am so sorry. When I put myself in your place, I can see what your fear is.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I don't know how I missed the first time:


Those aren't punches. The kind officer is kissing that man on the head with a Freedom Fist.


Freedom Fists! LOL

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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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Here's the thing, if an officer has somebody detained and under restraint, there's no real need to beat them. (Even if you're pissed off and really really want to, self-restraint must come with the job.) If I recall, there are 7 pressure points that are more than effective on the majority of people. Two or three of which, if you bend them right and apply enough pressure can make it difficult to use an arm or leg for about a week.

There are cases where it's nearly impossible to bring somebody under restraint on one's own. (Outclassed in size/weight/strength.) And that's when you call for backup. However once it's two or three vs. one (no particular weapons or special training of the person being subdued), then there is no good excuse for not being able to subdue them. You get them manhandled until that pressure-point can be used for a submission hold, and then do a two or three man carry to move them where you want them.

If there's an issue with that, then police need more training in this stuff (obviously whatever they had was inadequate), or maybe they need to do PT/strength training. (I think some cops were either military rejects, or got pushed out of the military for some reason. But they still have the hard-on for that kind of job with authority, even though they come up short on responsibility that goes with it.)

Other than that, make them accountable. The law tends to slap too many people that are supposed to know it on the wrist rather than doing what is needed to keep such behavior in check. Authority without accountability will lead to some serious issues of public trust, so something should be done about that.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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The day is surely coming when someone with a Concealed carry permit (CCW) is going to give a thug cop (or cops) lead poisoning for being a thug with a badge.

And, the CCW holder will have my full support, the days are numbered for these bloody cowards to continue to hide behind their badges and uniforms whilst at the same time clearly displaying their disdain for the law (they are supposed to uphold).



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: DaphneApollo
a reply to: 00nunya00

He was not complying, was told not to do what he did. Even the lady taking the vid asked him to stop fighting/resisting for his own good, so the Police wouldn't hit him. Yes, understood. BUT, there are two sides to EVERY story.

Deny Ignorance indeed.

No, the police are too brutal , agreed. I've seen worse than this and they weren't police, just undercover. When you evade authority, you will be apprehended/pursued if you don't comply, they will get you in those cuffs/restraints eventually, however they can.




right they were trying to get him into the cuffs by beating the snot out of him...the police are paid to arrest not torture their victims



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:51 PM
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Not to say they could not have handled it better, but the guy was resisting. I have no sympathy for him. Had he been compliant I would scream for their badges.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: 00nunya00
Ten minutes? He was only beaten for 2 minutes for not complying.





he was ONLY beaten for 2 minutes...really !....really ?....how many broken bones did he end up with after that tiny little 2 minutes..it was enough to kill him funny your statement reminds me of this

"you have 20 seconds to comply"





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