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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 03:17 AM
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In many parts in scripture, someone is instructed not to give all, but only pieces, why must this be?

For example:

John 16:12


There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now.


2 Cor. 12 3-4


And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.


Rev 10:4


And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."


I have seen in many threads, and in life, that people wonder and question, but have no real answers to some more deeper complex things. In past times, many say we do not hear God, he is silent. Why must this be, what are we left to do, when we inquire and want to know more?




posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: jhill76

It is said that those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know.

But, why is this so? Why are we not entitled to know all? Is not existence purely a prison for the Mind and knowledge the master key to all its locks? Who tells us we cannot know? The jailkeeper?

Puzzles...

-MM
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 05:30 AM
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If you had a dog and it could ask you one question it mostly likely would ask…
when are you going to feed me?

Your answer would most likely be something like one of these:
1.the same time I fed you yesterday
2.at 6 PM (it's 6PM somewhere)
3.when I want to.

The problem isn’t with your dogs question nor with your answer but with what your dog would "understand".The fact is “If” your dog could ask a question(the only question it ever thinks about) you answer would completely allude them because

1.they would have no idea what the words time or yesterday mean
2.they can’t count or tell time
3.they could care less about what you want

The fact is the perennial questions you’d want to ask the creator God(no matter what they are)are a moot point.Take for example what Yahoshua said to the disciples at the last supper…

There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now.

He simply stated to them “what” the truth was.It would be useless to explain which is why he’d say what he said.It would be of no help to them.

In Paul’s statement he didn’t have a “clue what happened to him or by the way it is phrased or if it was even him……
and what John “heard” there was no reason to write it down…. it could never be understood and was only for John to hear.

The same theme runs through all of them……the inscrutable….which is the nature of the creator God.It is not for man to “know” unless there is a reason.The “knowing/hearing” only comes “one way” through revelation FROM the creator God WHEN and HOW they want it....and are where the answer and the understanding are the same thing.…..

Look what it got all 3 of them for participating in “hearing” the creator God.
The religious framed and murdered Yahoshua.
Paul was put to death under trumped up charges.
The majority of people (even those that believe the “bible is the “word of GOD!) believe John was a nutcase with what he “did” write in the book of Revelation is nonsense(which is very very far from the truth on both accounts).

The clear fact is the creator God has chosen to not reveal the majority of everything to the majority of everyone.The perennial questions are all left unanswered and unheard by the majority…for a reason….it won’t help or change anything and the questioner would not comprehend it at all and only cause further confusion.The bottom line was none of the “hearers” asked to hear they only received.

What that leaves a person to do is be derisive or dismissive or apathetic (there is no God) or make up their “own” answers and “believe” it is “God” and everythin in between.The latter will lead you much farther from the Truth than the former.My suggestion is …don’t ask because you will positively hear nothing(truth) or yourself(lies)..it's a lose -lose proposition.The fact is if the creator God wants you to “know anything” you WILL know and it won’t be because you asked…or studied or, or, or …..anything else. If it were a game of chess it would always be the creator God proclaiming …checkmate.


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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: jhill76
The plan of the ages is shown in the temple feasts, and the pattern of the tabernacle. 3 courts. 3 main feasts. 3 general ages.

Passover=Barley harvest=Outer court=1st heaven
Pentecost=Wheat harvest=Inner court=2nd heaven
Tabernacles=Grape harvest=Holy of Holies=3rd heaven


Jesus said he had much more to tell them but they couldn't bear it now. This was pre-pentecost, when the tongues of flame landed on their heads, burning away one layer of the veils. Taking the disciples from an outer court understanding, to the inner court, or Holy Place. Much more was given to them on that day. They were new men after the upper room. They had been inducted into the priesthood so to speak, and could enter (figuratively) the priestly section of the temple/tabernacle, the Holy Place.

Now when Paul speaks of things that are not lawful to hear, he is speaking of going up into the third heaven. And what was revealed there? The mystery that had been hidden for ages past:

The 2 shall become one flesh (concerning christ and the church)
Christ in you is the hope of glory
He is creating one new man


This mystery of the ages was hidden behind the final veil. Paul was born out of time, and thus did not remain in the 3rd heaven/Holy of Holies. We all must enter His rest together (Hebrews), and the time has not come yet for the unveiling of the Sons of God. The way has been opened by our elder brother, who entered through the veil of his flesh.

The 7 seals are set for the end of the ages, I'm not speaking of the end of the world. Not a doom porn scenario. But the end of the ages in you.

1 Cor 10
" these things happened as examples(types) on whom the end of the ages have come" prior to this he is speaking of the allegory of the Israelite story. That we all were under the cloud in the wilderness, that we all crossed the Jordan. And if you know the rest of the story they should enter into the promised land.

Heb 4 " But if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day", it goes on at the end of the chapter to describe our Great High priest.

The entering of the promised land is as the Holy of Holies or the 3rd heaven, aka HIs Rest, A sabbath remains for us, and we must seek to enter that rest.

Heb 5 goes into the high priesthood more, then stops and says, "On this topic there is much more to say, but you have become sluggish and need baby food"

These teachings having to do with the high priesthood (holy of holies), are too much for most, and people want to stay where they are, they are sluggish.

Remember the mystery revealed in the holy of holies to Paul. 2=1, Christ in you

This is too much for most to bear. Even as I type this most will overlook it, and then go pray to a god "out there".

15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: jhill76

You're looking at the 'official version decided upon by the early church fathers and their personal agenda'.

You are not looking at the teaching we now have direct from Christ in the Nag Hammadi scrolls. Here he is equal to the man etc etc not above him - its worth reading the Nag Hammadi scholls to find out what Christ taught because its pure and not tainted and misrepresented, in order to give a group of men a livelihood throughout the ages teaching a misnomer and for most a very good life.

Christ explained the mysteries to his chosen and they were to spread his teachings but, when you look at Paul, he kept up the secrets teaching because Christ had never instructed him. The Church's get-out clause is so say Ah! its God's mystery so we don't know it. What they aren't telling you is that in the early days after Christ's death his true followers were persecuted by the church fathers and murdered so their story could not be told. Look it up, its well worth it and the tv documentary by a lady (Bethany) I think on the BBC or ITV ;she did the rounds of the monasteries and their orders after Christ's death to remove all knowledge of his teachings.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 06:30 AM
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All this clap trap about not being told knowledge because you're not ready for it is a joke. Out with it already or shut the hell up, I say.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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Also another issue that must be considered is simply they were visions of the future or heaven.
The bible is not a book of visions, it wasnt spoken by God and written by man like the koran or the Morman bible, its not filled with visions like most religious texts. There is no ghost writing or assumptions.
The bible is a book of eye witness accounts, maybe the hidden things are hidden because they are not for us.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: borntowatch

Pardon, eye witness accounts. Do you realise that the bible was not put together until the Middle Ages and it was taken not from eye witness accounts - Noah's flood etc? It was taken from stories handed down generation by generation and then eventually these stories were put into cards such as the tarot and then writing. You forget most couldn't read so word of mouth and pictures were the original means of telling the stories of the past etc.

Even the New testament in the bible today was not written by the original disciples, it was written years later and altered by the church fathers to suit the Emperor who in turn gave them power over the people. The Nag Hammadi scrolls are the only documents, many copied from earlier scrolls probably, that claim to be by the three scribes amongst the original disciples.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: jhill76

In my opinion, he is not silent. The message is simply not ready to be received. People would rather walk around in darkness.

Christ, if you know, shatters the current paradigm.

Are you sure you ready for truth? Can you admit everything you know, might be a lie?

Including lies by those who claim to be following him, but are wolves instead?
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posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: jhill76 At every turn with this hidden knowledge i have found there is always a built in extermination means that is designed to keep the wicked from gaining control of the knowledge. I know for a fact that so many here with us would choose to destroy everything you see in order to save themselves. Life is fragile to the point that even the plants that grow in the wild must be accounted for and some kept from eachother so not to destroy us. There are very serious reasons that alchemy has been hidden and that people were killed for using the process. Otherwise we would not be here. Nature and hidden knowledge is more fragile than a nuke plant.



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: jhill76

Everything that God wants us to know, and everything that we need to know in order to obtain salvation and live a holy life, has been revealed in His Word. We, as humans, are not capable of understanding or grasping the fullness of God. Having said that, there will be a day where the mystery of God will be accomplished and those who are saved will finally understand. Revelation 10:7...


But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”



posted on Aug, 25 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: borntowatch




The bible is a book of eye witness accounts,


Oh really?

Who witnessed the creation? Who wrote the book of Job? Who was there when God and Satan made their bet?

Who was with Jesus, while the apostles slept, and Jesus prayed "Let this cup pass..." and then wrote it down for the Bible? Who was in desert with Jesus, while he was fasting, and wrote the account of Jesus and his vision quest? Or, did Jesus come back and start bragging to his disciples how he kicked some satanic a$$?

Where do people come up with this stuff?



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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a reply to: Rex282

I'd vouchsafe that, those requiring all knowledge at once (and 'why shouldn't it be that way?') are not as bold as to assume that any skills, experience was imparted all at once...you don't often see 'instant' architects, poets, new-clear physicists etc...'Deeper Knowledge' requires being able to swim without sand beneath your feet...then, the courage to dive, hold your breath...let alone, allowing yourself to venture to the seaside...


A99



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: windword Ever heard of a spirit? It's the same way they are watching you right now.



posted on Aug, 26 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Spirits don't write books. People do.



posted on Aug, 30 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: jhill76
In many parts in scripture, someone is instructed not to give all, but only pieces, why must this be?

For example:

John 16:12


There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now.


2 Cor. 12 3-4


And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.


Rev 10:4


And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."


I have seen in many threads, and in life, that people wonder and question, but have no real answers to some more deeper complex things. In past times, many say we do not hear God, he is silent. Why must this be, what are we left to do, when we inquire and want to know more?

From Rex282


The fact is if the creator God wants you to “know anything” you WILL know and it won’t be because you asked…or studied or, or, or …..anything else


I took some proficiency exams to skip out of some classes for school yesterday. I "studied" for quite some time on it. I printed the exam worksheets, which was supplied with an answer key, and I worked the problems out. I put studied in quotations because I wasn't studying; I was just merely memorizing and regurgitating. Before the exam, I briefly asked God to help me out. I said only he could help me when I fall short because I knew that I was I didn't truly understand the underlying concepts of the questions and wanted a fail-safe.

So I took the exam, which was a two sectioned test that covered two prerequisite classes. If and only if I was to pass the first section, I would pass the first prerequisite and the next section would be graded as well. Depending on how I did on the second section, I would be able to skip the second prerequisite. Boom, first question on the first section I didn't understand.

Well, I didn't pass. Not even the first section lol. I knew I didn't pass by reading the body language of the proctor grading the exam as he was walking towards me. Right then and there, I was being cold and dismissive of him as if he was the one who failed me when in actuality he did his earnest running the scantron through the machine several times to eliminate all chances of error because I was a couple of answers short from passing the first section.

I was angry. As I walked out of the testing office, the first words I uttered were, "God damn it." I thought to myself how useless those nights of feigned studying were.

Today I was reading up on Zionism being the antithesis of Judaism and how the concept of religion is foreign to true Judaism. This led me to read the section Midrash Tanhuma of Medievel Hebrew. I ended up with this little following excerpt:

"With idol worships it is the habit to treat their gods according to the circumstance in which they find themselves, which they attribute to the actions of their gods. If their condition is favorable, they pay tribute to their god. 'Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag, because by them their portion is fat and their meat plenteous,' says the prophet (Habak. i). If, on the other hand, adversities overtake them, they vent their anger on their gods. 'And it shall to come to pass,' the prophet tells us, 'that when they shall be hungry they shall fret themselves and curse their king and their god' (Isa. viii)."

I immediately remembered the words I said when I walked out of the office.
This made me sad.

Then I remembered how I previously recited that all things, good times and bad, are blessings on these forums.
Remembering this made me even sadder.

Funny how things work out. I need a lot of growing up and internalizing to do.

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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: jhill76
In many parts in scripture, someone is instructed not to give all, but only pieces, why must this be?

For example:

John 16:12


There is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now.


2 Cor. 12 3-4


And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.


Rev 10:4


And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."


I have seen in many threads, and in life, that people wonder and question, but have no real answers to some more deeper complex things. In past times, many say we do not hear God, he is silent. Why must this be, what are we left to do, when we inquire and want to know more?


John 16;12 There not everything is given because, yes, you wrote it yourself, because they wouldn't be able to bear it all at that moment

In your quote from Cor. NOTHING is given because it wasn't permitted.

In your third quotation out of the Bible, again NOTHING was given because that person was told so by a voice out of Heaven.

As an answer to your question I say, ask God and you will be given.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: akushla99
a reply to: Rex282

I'd vouchsafe that, those requiring all knowledge at once (and 'why shouldn't it be that way?') are not as bold as to assume that any skills, experience was imparted all at once...you don't often see 'instant' architects, poets, new-clear physicists etc...'Deeper Knowledge' requires being able to swim without sand beneath your feet...then, the courage to dive, hold your breath...let alone, allowing yourself to venture to the seaside...


A99


This has got to be the best explanation for this!

Tier 1, Fundamentals Tier 2, Basics, etc., etc.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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I don't like the term "deeper knowledge". It is deeper understanding. Gaining deeper knowledge while losing yourself/your personality is useless, even worse, devastating.

One must gain deeper understanding of life without losing ones personality.

This deeper knowledge tends to sounds like a psychosis.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:02 AM
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Need To Know. Some of it is not for us to know.





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