a reply to: Aedaeum
Wait what, choosing to enjoy something that you know is harmful to you somehow invalidates him in some way?
He can't have some sweets, or eat cake at times? Can't enjoy a little alcohol? Where does this narrowmindedness spring.. are you yourselves
enlightened, to know such things?
My mom once met a buddhist monk standing around smoking.. she was surprised and asked him about it, he told her it's fine as long as he's mindful
doing it.. I can't really argue with that, it's a free will choice, and I can't imagine it magically disappears when approaching enlightenment.
Maybe he just likes doing it, isn't that enough?
A preposterous idea to me!
As for deceit, it can at times be useful to a master, illumination is situated on the other side of absolute terror and you think that it would be
beyond the playful and or at times even anti-social hermit masters to play a prank on their student? They do it all the time in Taoist and Buddhist
Milarepa's master had him build a tower only for him to subsequently raze it and tell him to build it again.. THREE times.. I'd say that is pretty
Rearranging the perceptions of the student would be constant and ongoing, to such an extreme that eventually he wouldn't know what's up or down,
left or right, white, black, good or evil. They do have a tendency to lean towards madness, the spiritually evolved.. well, at least to "the
vulgar", and that's another thing.. they even seem to have a tendency to loathe mankind at times, always using such terms, "the uninitiated", the
Laozi became so fed up with how things were going in China that he decided to leave, people were too ignorant.
"While most people take the objects of their senses to be real if anything is, Socrates is contemptuous
of people who think that something has
to be graspable in the hands to be real. In the Theaetetus, he says such people are "eu a-mousoi", an expression that means literally, "happily
without the muses" (Theaetetus 156a). In other words, such people live without the divine inspiration that gives him, and people like him, access to
higher insights about reality."
"Socrates says in the Republic that people who take the sun-lit world of the senses to be good and real are living pitifully in a den of evil and
. Socrates admits that few climb out of the den, or cave of ignorance, and those who do, not only have a terrible struggle to attain the
heights, but when they go back down for a visit or to help other people up, they find themselves objects of scorn and ridicule."
"So unadvanced.." sayeth the muses.