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# Is our Source Determined or Indeterminate? Design is Simple Logic from Quantum Mechanics

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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:46 PM
Follow the infinitely small dot. Zoom in and it is a universe. Zoom out and it is a dot.

After reading this, it would be a lie to say we are not designed. The logic here is simple. Follow the shadow to its source and you cannot help but see the simple fact that remains. We are clearly designed with no other possibility. Quantum mechanics demonstrates the reality above us.

A one dimensional line moves. It makes a plane. Note that the line is the shadow of a plane (2D). A two dimensional plane is the shadow of a 3D object. Note that a 2D plane in slices makes a 3D object. In all three cases, the dimension below is a shadow of the dimension above. Simply watching the shadow from your hand reveals that a 3D object leaves a 2D shadow.

We can directly observe a 3D object moving. We call the movement of the object the shadow of the dimension above (4D Time). Each slice of time is a shadow we see below as the moment we observe, just as the 2D shadow follows the 3D object. Once you view time as a slice (shadow) of the dimension above, you can then infer that time is a function of a larger dimension above. In other words, time is a shadow of probable states.

For the states of matter to change, there must be an indeterminate probability that is determined. As an example, I can move a pencil on my desk anywhere. It is not yet determined where the pencil will be in the future until I determine its future location. I am restricted in this choice by laws of nature. I cannot make the pencil fly forever. If I throw it, gravity will bring it back down. If I use it to write a symphony, the symphony is not a determined outcome of the pencil, but of the consciousness that moved the object. Each dimension is orthogonal to the one before (right angles).

In physics, this is referred to as collapsing wave function. Probability is the fifth dimension of indeterminate states. Matter can be moved and changed, but only according to probable outcomes. The observer makes the determination to collapse the wave function (choice). In other words, the states of matter are dependent on the one making the choice.

Follow this again from 1D. A 1D line is the shadow of a 2D plane. A 2D plane is the shadow of a 3D object. A 3D object is the shadow of the timeline above. The timeline is a shadow of the probability space above.

Here is the question: What is the collapsed wave function of indeterminate probability (5D) a shadow of if we keep the sequence going? The answer is the governor of the laws shaping probability. Once you get past the one governing the process, you are left with the one making the choice. The one choosing is not the 3D object, or the timeline the object moves in. The one making the choice is not the probability or the laws governing the lower dimension of probability. The one choosing is restricted by the laws ordering probability. The choice can only be made by a reality above all the other dimensions. It is not logical that the lower dimensions create the ones above. A shadow must be created by the thing it is imaged from.

Let's now take the incorrect line of reasoning that matter creates consciousness. Ask yourself the simple question. Can the thing changing states determine the choice of its probability apart from the reality collapsing the wave function?

The answer is no. Consciousness is above the process. Matter is the lowest aspect of the changing states.

Simply stated. Matter cannot create consciousness with purpose. Only consciousness can create with intention, law and ordered probability.

We are designed.

Genesis 1:27

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 02:18 AM
Without the God part, I do follow your reasoning, and have never seen this described this way before.

It is just a shame that you have mixed cutting edge theories with 2000 year old folklore.

Peace

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 04:42 AM
It seems like the logic you are using is a bit fuzzy. I'm no expert on quantum mechanics, but I don't see how any of that indicates that we were designed. Matter cannot create consciousness? Do you know this for a fact? We are made of matter completely as far as we know, so if consciousness is a product of the brain, then that is exactly what happened. Of course this is impossible to know for sure, but to say that design is "simple logic" is a big exaggeration. That is anything but simple and it's delving into mathematical theory that we aren't even close to fully understanding. I thoroughly enjoyed the video, but it seems like you're taking a bit of a leap with the design part and I see no reason why a lower dimension can't affect a higher one.
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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:21 AM
yeah but even in then 1D concept. As you imagine its on 2d in reality. It's always in 3D. Even the particles that are layed out in a pattern are millions of particles (atoms-molecules) to form an image our brain reconizes as an image. Otherwise it's just particles spread out on a flat surface of a 3D object.

Other dimensions would be things that cannot be measured by volume the same way a 3D model can such as photon waves/electro-magnetic waves, light spectrums. We measure those in frequency.

4D can be the concept of movement. Such as moving around 3D objects well observing images in a paridolia fashion our brain is set to register certain images curves and such. Without it reading this would be impossible.

So trying to compare 1D-2D on a 3D object as seperate planes of existance is like giving life to these tiny particles spread on a 3D object that are a different color and texture than the background in order for our brains to see the image otherwise its like tracing lines in a bed and trying to show the imprint of the image to a friend.

IF the universe was within another universe than there should be an infinte ammount of universes within universes.
There's a chance that one of the universes housing our universe within the chain of multi-universes is cut off with the probability of infinity. So such a theory is impossible to view the *Universe* and all of its functions with such an idea.

Even if alter universes existed, and the chain of infinity universes manages to not be cut off. Nothing from the larger scale universes can travel or interact with the lower chain of universes because the scales are vastly to small. Its like trying to interact with the dot on your screen. Impossible.

And consiousness is a product of mass, Without mass density there is no consiousness.
There is only the sleeping state or lego blocks flying through space waiting for the right combinations/ play mat and players to build a living set.

We are the universe, Don't forget this. You are not seperate from the Universe, you are made of it you live in it. you are the universe. Are you the universe in its entirty? No. God is the guts of everything in existance and soon to come to that is spread across space and time. Across the endless expanses of galaxies that never end.

The ultimate reality is where we live, We do not rely on alter universes. The universe is perfect because huge portions of the energy is contained in Non ionized states caused by black holes mashing random together which has no ionic function. It comes back into reality as mass again fully recharged, The particles are vibrating stronger now, Entropy is when the vibrations decay.. Get weaker, But the particles don't die, They just break down until their vibrational harmony is destablized and shape is lost. Like spent shards flying through space, Black holes recycle it.
Just my oppinion tho.

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:37 AM

originally posted by: Watchfull
Without the God part, I do follow your reasoning, and have never seen this described this way before.

It is just a shame that you have mixed cutting edge theories with 2000 year old folklore.

Peace

This is folklore:

The Story of Corn and Medicine

"The earth began as nothing but water and darkness, and all the animals were in Galúnlati, above the stone vault that makes up the sky. Eventually Galúnlati became so crowded that the animals needed more room, and they wanted to move down to earth. Not knowing what was below the water, they sent down the Water-beetle to explore. Water-beetle dove below the water and eventually came back with some mud from below. That mud grew and grew, and finally it became the island that we call earth. This island of earth is suspended at its four corners from ropes that hang down from the sky, and legend has it that some day the ropes will break and the earth will sink back into the water." Source

This is the science of Genesis at its finest:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

A word is comprised of links of letters in a sequence with purpose. Programming is by design. Digital programming is accomplished by encoding letters of information into a catalyst (like machine language with silicone and electricity).

Father in Hebrew is Aleph Bet (letters).

Mother is Aleph Mem (Catalyst)

Son is Bet Nun (House of Seed from DNA). The son is the WORD / LOGOS / PROGRAMMER.

The Father (letters) enters the cup (Mother's water) to create the continuation of the house, or the Son. The Son is the house of seed. DNA creates proteins in a catalyst (water).

The Bible is not folklore.

Getting back to the topic, a choice is made to collapse the wave function of indeterminate probability when a determination is made. Spoken plainly, determination requires the one making the choice to have faith in the choice. The outcome is determined by intent and design. Find the source of this Genesis and you find the one that created it all.

By faith the determination is made.

Hebrews 11

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

Programming from information (what is not seen).

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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:47 AM

I have always thought matter to be an epiphenomena of consciousness. We are not a random victims of the universe floating around on a rock. We are the universe and we cocreate and create all the time..

s/f purp..

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:49 AM

Summing up the OP, consciousness is non-local. Shadows of dimension demonstrates this easily. All form that you see around you, made from inert substance, is animated to movement by consciousness. Life has a property that is programmed. Programming must be done with purpose and intent. Purpose cannot arise form purposelessness. Unintentional sequences do not produce programmed intent (by design). By default, consciousness is above the material it uses as a resource. This is why shadows must be cast from the dimension above and not from below. To say that matter creates consciousness, you are trying to say the single dot created the reality above. Logically, this is absurd. The dot is the last shadow from the image that casts it. Truth is simple.

Look at it this way. Does the acorn come from the oak tree, or does the oak tree come from the acorn? The answer is neither. Both are produced by the encoded information within the sequences of programmed letters inside the DNA of the seed. We just happen to have a description of this from the Bible, which claims that all things are produce by Word. Words are written with links of information.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Read this thread: Hidden in the Letters of Creation - Father is Aleph Bet

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:59 AM

So trying to compare 1D-2D on a 3D object as seperate planes of existance is like giving life to these tiny particles spread on a 3D object that are a different color and texture than the background in order for our brains to see the image otherwise its like tracing lines in a bed and trying to show the imprint of the image to a friend.

You are entirely correct. This is why I used the collapse of wave function to demonstrate how the back end of reality engages the front end of the illusion. We see what is produced 1D, 2D and so on. What we do not see is the programming behind the front end. Just like this website, there is a programmers back end and the screen on your end that you see. The collapse of wave function is dependent on the one programming the sequences of matter that appear intelligible.

Letters appearing on your screen are viewed by you in time and space, but are produced by intent from a higher reality that is nonlocal to your time space. I produced these letters before you read them. Time and space are the same property. Getting back to collapsing wave function, what you see is not how it was produced. The IMAGE is created before it appears in the catalyst (medium you see).

Matter is what you see. Consciousness is what produces it. Design is the only conclusion.

The dimensions I describe are the image you see. The conclusion depends on the logic of what is above those dimensions. Like DNA, a catalyst is needed to get the links of letters into the form of the protein. Matter is the fabric, but information with purpose is the shadow of something larger above the matter itself.

All things have a source? Yes. All things flow from a source? Give me one logical reason that matter is the source flowing to awareness and consciousness. You can't. It's not logical.

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 07:05 AM

The ultimate reality is where we live, We do not rely on alter universes.

All particles are entangled. Space and time do not matter with entanglement. The image we see is not the reality that produces it. Time and space do not matter. Like the Matrix, you are entangled with this image. Look in a mirror. Your image is not you, but you can tell the difference from the dimensions. A mirror appears in 3D, but is 2D. Your body is 3D, but moves in 4D as the same reflected shadow in slices. It's an image that is entangled. Again, this depends on the dimensions that we can easily infer by looking at simple layers in metaphor.

Genesis 1

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

The Bible is based on a higher reasoning science that we are just now beginning to understand.

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 07:12 AM

originally posted by: purplemer

I have always thought matter to be an epiphenomena of consciousness. We are not a random victims of the universe floating around on a rock. We are the universe and we cocreate and create all the time..

s/f purp..

Epiphenomena - a secondary effect or byproduct that arises from but does not causally influence a process, in particular.

I love it when you use big words. I had to look that one up. Your intuition is correct. The medium something is placed in is not the thing itself. A medium is never the thing that produced the final product, but only a house for the two things it joins.

In Hebrew, Father is Aleph (Strong) Bet (House). Letters / Alphabet.

In nature, this is chirality. Two chiral objects cannot be superimposed on each other. This is basic physics. Your hands are chiral mirrors. They look the same, but are not. Each has a unique property. In chemistry, there are chiral substances that look identical, but mirrored. One will cure you and one will kill you. Our bodies are chiral. We have two ears, arms, legs and so on. Each has a separate function, but are mirrored. The secondary effect comes from the joining of the links in the chain are not the thing that produce the chain. When the Bible calls word the primary tool of Genesis, it is showing how information in links and chains produces our reality. Intelligence is the cause.

Design.

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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 07:19 AM
There's something very familiar about the Op......

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 07:24 AM

originally posted by: Prezbo369
There's something very familiar about the Op......

Yes; it is an extremely verbose version of the "Nothing can exist without being created by a Creator" argument, and is just as fallacious.

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 08:01 AM

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Prezbo369
There's something very familiar about the Op......

Yes; it is an extremely verbose version of the "Nothing can exist without being created by a Creator" argument, and is just as fallacious.

Oh no yeah that too (par for the course on these boards) but I was referring to the author of the OP, it's almost asthough he/she has has a SupieriorEd...

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 08:08 AM

Says the one offering no suitable reply.

You can't have a shadow without a light source and something between. Follow the chain of shadows toward consciousness, which is well beyond the images it casts. Since we have a quotable source that correctly describes all aspects of reality, the images can be identified by the one creating them. All things have a source that is greater than the effects of that source. Drops of water arise from a greater ocean. Until you say why you disagree, you have said nothing.

1 Corinthians 1

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 01:03 PM

There's something very familiar about the Op......

i wonder why.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 03:08 PM

originally posted by: TzarChasm

There's something very familiar about the Op......

i wonder why.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You must be born again. Rebirth is the answer. We come back again and again.
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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 03:12 PM

originally posted by: AlephBet

All things have a source? Yes. All things flow from a source? Give me one logical reason that matter is the source flowing to awareness and consciousness. You can't. It's not logical.

Well without consiousness, Unified organisms achieving a set goal blindly would not exist. Mass could very well still exist.
We may think there is no logical reason for mass to produce life.

But when we think of how empty the universe would be without life, What would exist to create and record stories?
How will the Earth the sun and the planetary bodies be remebered? Surely their path is destined to be swallowed and destroyed never to have existed for a purpose other than to exist.

With life however, the story can be preserved even long after the death of a star. More then that, the life generated on that planet and in that solar system will be carried as well as materials. And being composed of the very same material of the planet itself. My belief is that the same energy used to create stars and galaxies is the same energy that creates us and our consiousness. The uniform patterns, caused by enviromental changes, attraction and repulsion. The universe is like a bunch of lego blocks that are tiny little motors rotating. When the blocks are joined together it gains a higher function. But without life non of that really matters at all.

There are other dimensions correct, but my point is there is no Alteruniverses.
Everything you see can see and will see is already in the universe presently.

There are the existance of non-ionized particles that don't exactly bend to the rules that physical mass does, It follows it's own set rules.
There is limited *Space* however and it cannot compress infinitly. Because if it did that would mean things can expand infinitly. There would be no concept of galaxies as galaxies would not exist as stars would enlarge magnitudes beyond galaxies if they could not collapse or become unstable.

My belief is there is a black energy/matter dimension where mass is broken down by black holes into a sleeping state where spent particles ( All particles vibrate in order to generate frequency It generates entropy where the vibrations become weaker to the point where it seems to not exist) Black holes feed on this stuff and compress it. So the universe is mostly compressed, If that is the compressed dimension you are speaking of then yes it exists and has to exist in order for a never ending universe to remain indefinently.
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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 03:13 PM

originally posted by: AlephBet

originally posted by: TzarChasm

There's something very familiar about the Op......

i wonder why.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You must be born again. Rebirth is the answer. We come back again and again.

i am having difficulty following how you drew that conclusion from your dissertation above.

posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 05:14 PM

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: AlephBet

originally posted by: TzarChasm

There's something very familiar about the Op......

i wonder why.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You must be born again. Rebirth is the answer. We come back again and again.

i am having difficulty following how you drew that conclusion from your dissertation above.

Presbo said, "There's something very familiar about the Op...... "
I merely stated the obvious. Born again user.
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posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 05:34 PM

originally posted by: AlephBet

Summing up the OP, consciousness is non-local. Shadows of dimension demonstrates this easily. All form that you see around you, made from inert substance, is animated to movement by consciousness. Life has a property that is programmed. Programming must be done with purpose and intent.

But how do you know consciousness is not local? How do you know that life is programmed? I don't see how theoretical mathematics about dimension "shadows" demonstrates this.

Purpose cannot arise form purposelessness. Unintentional sequences do not produce programmed intent (by design).

You are assuming that life has a purpose.

By default, consciousness is above the material it uses as a resource. This is why shadows must be cast from the dimension above and not from below. To say that matter creates consciousness, you are trying to say the single dot created the reality above. Logically, this is absurd. The dot is the last shadow from the image that casts it. Truth is simple.

Again, why is consciousness above the material, and why is that the default? I still don't see it. It has nothing to do with a single dot. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that consciousness didn't originate in this dimension. I don't care about the bible. I'm trying to follow your logic. For all we know humans (and all other matter) could already exist in all of those dimensions, we just can't perceive it. That doesn't mean it was all designed. That could just be the way it is, and it's also assuming that the mathematical theories are true. The math resolves equations, it doesn't give us an accurate picture of exactly what's going on and could easily be wrong.
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