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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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Coy Wolves The New Breed


Humans Have Created A New Top Predator That Is Taking Over The Northeast
Business Insider
By Jennifer Welsh
Sat, Aug 23, 2014, 11:12AM ED


Humans are no newcomers when it comes to messing around with nature. While we haven't created Frankenstein's monster yet, what we do messes with the natural world. One recent example is the creation of the coywolf — a hybrid of the coyote and the wolf that is also known as the Eastern coyote. These animals have a completely new genetic make up: Their genes are about 1/4 wolf DNA and 2/3 coyote DNA, the rest is from domesticated dogs. They were created when previously separate wolf and coyote populations merged in the land north of the Great Lakes. Here's the coyote, which traditionally maxes out at 75 pounds and has pointier features, and readily populates cities:

finance.yahoo.com...

Coyote


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Wolf


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Coy-wolf

Result 1


Result 2



WOW..

Just to Let you People Know about this ..


As these Coy wolves Has Been Recently Running Rampant right Where Im From St Lawrence County New York .
Near the Boarder of Canada or for the Better Word (( St Lawrence Seaway )) The Path to the Great lakes
As in the Area of the Eisenhower Locks, Robert Moses Power Dam, American Canadian International Bridge,
Land of the Flint aka Land of the Mohawk, Akwasasne Yeah This Area ,

This Is from the Local Newspaper Website of the Region ..

( The First Report )

‘Robust’ population of coyotes in North Country may be part wolf
Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 7:13 a
northcountrynow.com...



Coyotes in St. Lawrence County are wolf-dog hybrids, scientist says
Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 5:07 pm
northcountrynow.com...

Here are Some Highlights in the article

I think Scientist are Really Concerned...?


1) The study used over 48,000 genetic markers, making it the most detailed genomic study of any wild vertebrate species.

2) The research results are especially relevant to wolves and coyotes in the Northeast. The study shows a gradient of hybridization in wolves, with pure wolves in western states and increasing hybridization as you move east.

3) Northeastern coyotes, including those in New York State, had genetic material primarily from coyotes (82 percent), with a minor contribution from dogs (9 percent) and wolves (9 percent).

4) Wolves in the western Great Lakes area averaged a genetic makeup of 85 percent wolf and 15 percent coyote, while wolves in Algonquin Park in eastern Ontario averaged 58 percent wolf, and the ‘red wolf’ in North Carolina was only 24 percent wolf and 76 percent coyote.


Algonquin Park Ontario 58 Percent WOLF! That is Just 244 Miles from Where I am From..


Hmm interesting


Ive Have Seen them, A lot of Hunters Have Seen them, and the Sound They Make!
They Sound more Like Wolf then Coyote , But with only a few say 3 to 4 sound like a Hundred, They also Hunt Like Wolfs , the One of the Few Differences is CoyWolves are Known to be Fearless of Humans ( No Stranger ) as WolfPacks are Not..

In The North Country aka St Lawrence County.. The Area is Widely Known for Big Game Hunting.
Let Alone.. Fishing Is Famed Here in the North Country, NY Especially Carp


There has been a few Scares within the Last 5 years , As Horses that were Left Outside at Night In St Lawrence County They Have Been Attacked and Mutilated , as Some Say Coy Wolves others have said It Could be Cougars that are. Coming back to Upstate New-york

Here is an Example in 2009

( North Country Public Radio) + Its all Audio

Pic of the Wound on the Horses Leg
files.abovetopsecret.com...
gore.....view at your own risk

Are cougars once again prowling the North Country?
by Jonathan Brown
www.northcountrypublicradio.org...

So the Wound is from a Cougar or a Coy-Wolf ?










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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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Could it be due to the ongoing need to exterminate the wolf as a way to make sure they don't populate too much, thereby make hunting elk and deer a little harder for the human? Life finds a way.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: Wolfenz

I've heard of coy wolves, Do you know if any solutions have been proposed to protect the wolves genetic diversity.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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You mean one of these?


Ohh, you mean one of these...

Coywolf


Hybrids of any combination tend to be larger than coyotes, and show behaviors intermediate between coyotes and the other parent species. In one captive hybrid experiment, six F1 hybrid pups between a male northwestern gray wolf and a female coyote were measured shortly after birth with an average on their weights, total lengths, head lengths, body lengths, hind foot lengths, shoulder circumferences, and head circumferences compared with those on pure coyote pups at birth. The results found that despite being delivered by a female coyote, the hybrid pups at birth were much larger and heavier than regular coyote pups born and measured around the same time.

Sounds scary, except...


Eastern wolf-coyote hybrids have been recorded to form more cooperative social groups than pure coyotes, and are generally less aggressive with each other while playing, in contrast to pure coyotes which are known to display higher levels of aggression and start mild fights preceding play. Hybrids also reach sexual maturity when they reach two years of age, much later than in pure coyotes.

Eastern Coyote/Coywolf Research

Coyote and Coywolf facts:

► Feeds mostly on small mammals

- Opportunistic predators – fruit to meat
- Mice, voles, rabbits, woodchucks
- Larger mammals where available (like deer)

► Habitat: Rural (wilderness) to urban

- Prefers edge habitat
- Agricultural and suburban areas are perfect
- Provide cover and high prey numbers (edge habitat)
- Lives in 49 of 50 U.S. states and everywhere except Long Island and offshore island.

Are Coyotes/Coywolves Dangerous? Keep it in Perspective: Coyotes vs. Dogs

► 4.7 million dog bites per year in U.S.

- 800,000 need medical attention
- 1,000 people per day go to ER
- 15-20 people, on average, die per year

► 4-5 coyote bites in Massachusetts’ history

- 2 or 3 were rabid
- 2 fatalities in recorded history in N.A. in past 500 years: one on a toddler in Cali in early 1980s (food habituated animal) and one on an 18 year old lady in Nova Scotia in 2009

► Dog bite losses exceed $1 billion per year

- $345 million paid by insurance

It looks like they are becoming more invasive then an actual threat. Except as the population gets larger, they will likely target animals out of their normal diet because of the added population. I say round em all up and ship them to Iraq.

Still, a very beautiful animal.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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I believe that they do have a place in the eco-system, but need to be regulated the same as any other animal. Overpopulation of any species is never a good thing. I would much rather run into Deer, Elk, Antelope, and other critters in the forest than predators.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Wolfenz

Meet the Coywolf - documentary on CBC and PBS airing at the end of August. Sound like amazing creatures.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Dianec
Could it be due to the ongoing need to exterminate the wolf as a way to make sure they don't populate too much, thereby make hunting elk and deer a little harder for the human? Life finds a way.



As in Parts of Canada and Alaska It Could Be.. it Wouldn't be less harder it would be Just Population Reduction of the Elk, Deer, Caribou Even to The Moose. Not Much a Threat to Human population As Wolfs tend to Shy Away from Human population , Tho with Coyotes it Just the the other way around.. and that where the problem begins
You Take a Hunter/Scavenger like the Coyote and Take The Wolf A Pure Hunter and Only Scavenge When Prey Is Scarce.. With a Combination like that It may Tend to be a Problem With LiveStock to Pets



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: grey9438
a reply to: Wolfenz

I've heard of coy wolves, Do you know if any solutions have been proposed to protect the wolves genetic diversity.



Solutions ? Wolfs has not been around Northern New York let alone the Whole State for over 100 years
last one killed was 1898? Tho There are A Few around on Reservations of Akwasasne St Regis in Northern New York
Some Hybrids Wolf Dog All Captive as Pets , None in the Wild, I Should Know I Had one from Akwasasne A Hybrid A beautiful Female Named Midnight ( All Black ) a Lot of Red Tape just to Keep Her ..

that there was a program Planned and Discussed about Gray Wolfs being Reintroduce the population In the Adirondacks of New York .. Hell Even a Few on Our very Own on our local Reservation Akwasasne/St Regis Had Wolves taking Care of them , Holding Them For the Same program.. What Became of it I Don't Know, but what I Do know is that There was a Program fund by The Government To have Licensed Caretakers Individuals From the Akwasasne/ St Regis Mohawk Reservation to Hold Them . Maybe were Sent to Alaska or Canada as they Were Originally From Canada

Wolves in the Adirondacks

Published on May 10, 2011
- See more at: www.sacandagalife.com...

Are Wild Wolves Making A Return?
www.adirondack.net...
www.sacandagalife.com...

Wolf Hybrid Recaptured In Akwesasne ( PDF )
www.srmt-nsn.gov...

But this is WAY WAY Before COY-Wolfves Were a Problem



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Wolfenz

Coy Wolves The New Breed


Humans Have Created A New Top Predator That Is Taking Over The Northeast
Business Insider
By Jennifer Welsh
Sat, Aug 23, 2014, 11:12AM ED


Humans are no newcomers when it comes to messing around with nature. While we haven't created Frankenstein's monster yet, what we do messes with the natural world. One recent example is the creation of the coywolf — a hybrid of the coyote and the wolf that is also known as the Eastern coyote. These animals have a completely new genetic make up: Their genes are about 1/4 wolf DNA and 2/3 coyote DNA, the rest is from domesticated dogs. They were created when previously separate wolf and coyote populations merged in the land north of the Great Lakes. Here's the coyote, which traditionally maxes out at 75 pounds and has pointier features, and readily populates cities:

finance.yahoo.com...

Coyote


+

Wolf


=

Coy-wolf

Result 1


Result 2



WOW..

Just to Let you People Know about this ..


As these Coy wolves Has Been Recently Running Rampant right Where Im From St Lawrence County New York .
Near the Boarder of Canada or for the Better Word (( St Lawrence Seaway )) The Path to the Great lakes
As in the Area of the Eisenhower Locks, Robert Moses Power Dam, American Canadian International Bridge,
Land of the Flint aka Land of the Mohawk, Akwasasne Yeah This Area ,

This Is from the Local Newspaper Website of the Region ..

( The First Report )

‘Robust’ population of coyotes in North Country may be part wolf
Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 7:13 a
northcountrynow.com...



Coyotes in St. Lawrence County are wolf-dog hybrids, scientist says
Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 5:07 pm
northcountrynow.com...

Here are Some Highlights in the article

I think Scientist are Really Concerned...?


1) The study used over 48,000 genetic markers, making it the most detailed genomic study of any wild vertebrate species.

2) The research results are especially relevant to wolves and coyotes in the Northeast. The study shows a gradient of hybridization in wolves, with pure wolves in western states and increasing hybridization as you move east.

3) Northeastern coyotes, including those in New York State, had genetic material primarily from coyotes (82 percent), with a minor contribution from dogs (9 percent) and wolves (9 percent).

4) Wolves in the western Great Lakes area averaged a genetic makeup of 85 percent wolf and 15 percent coyote, while wolves in Algonquin Park in eastern Ontario averaged 58 percent wolf, and the ‘red wolf’ in North Carolina was only 24 percent wolf and 76 percent coyote.


Algonquin Park Ontario 58 Percent WOLF! That is Just 244 Miles from Where I am From..


Hmm interesting


Ive Have Seen them, A lot of Hunters Have Seen them, and the Sound They Make!
They Sound more Like Wolf then Coyote , But with only a few say 3 to 4 sound like a Hundred, They also Hunt Like Wolfs , the One of the Few Differences is CoyWolves are Known to be Fearless of Humans ( No Stranger ) as WolfPacks are Not..

In The North Country aka St Lawrence County.. The Area is Widely Known for Big Game Hunting.
Let Alone.. Fishing Is Famed Here in the North Country, NY Especially Carp


There has been a few Scares within the Last 5 years , As Horses that were Left Outside at Night In St Lawrence County They Have Been Attacked and Mutilated , as Some Say Coy Wolves others have said It Could be Cougars that are. Coming back to Upstate New-york

Here is an Example in 2009

( North Country Public Radio) + Its all Audio

Pic of the Wound on the Horses Leg


Are cougars once again prowling the North Country?
by Jonathan Brown
www.northcountrypublicradio.org...

So the Wound is from a Cougar or a Coy-Wolf ?












That explains a lot! I have been seeing these breeds a lot in the last year in both Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and always jump back and forth between it being a coyote or a wolf..I guess the answer is clear now



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: eisegesis

Thanks for the Info ..

like the Drone .. Could be Locating Coywolves with a Drone to even Some may have Track Collars..

but for Coy Wolfs Eating just small Animals to occasional Big game like Deer ..

Well .. Some say that horses and Large Sized livestock are being Attacked by Coy wolfs
around the St Lawrence County in a few claims . but these Clams are from people The Country aka Farm Land
with Heavy Wooded Areas in their Back Yard so to Speak ! as to No Wonder! Right.. ? It Sure not open land .. Especially in Areas that i am Talking about.


A Little more Info of the Coy Wolf

THE ADIRONDACK COYWOLF - (Canis latrans lycaon)
wilddog.hypermart.net...

Eastern Coyote/Coywolf Research
Dedicated to providing education and scientific research to better protect and conserve eastern coyotes/coywolves
www.easterncoyoteresearch.com...


Living With Coyotes/Coywolves
www.easterncoyoteresearch.com...



Absolutely Wonderful! Love the Pics ..

Coywolf Gallery
www.easterncoyoteresearch.com...
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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They're absolutely gorgeous, but….
The ecosystem of any area is a delicate balance. Messing with it…well, we don't have a good reputation nor handle on it, I don't think. A poster above mentioned rounding them up and shipping them to another, less populated area: i.e. less domesticated animals to eat as their population increases.

It would seem extremely important to study carefully where that might be. Alaska, perhaps? Northern Maine is mostly forest and uninhabited. But there are other considerations, for regardless of human population and domesticated animals to feed on, they will have a consequential effect on any ecosystem.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Wolfenz

Meet the Coywolf - documentary on CBC and PBS airing at the end of August. Sound like amazing creatures.







No Need to Wait

Its Right Here a Full Episode ! 53 mins long
Loving it watching it now as we Speak !


Thanks PBS !
Nature ...


Meet The Coywolf
www.pbs.org...




as this isnt a Negative but a Positive Story of the Coywolf !

lots of INFO !



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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They are beautiful and mysterious. I go to bed every night with them howling, screeching and chorusing outside. I love them so much and to me they're another thread in the wildlife/rural tapestry I've come to enjoy.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50
They're absolutely gorgeous, but….
The ecosystem of any area is a delicate balance. Messing with it…well, we don't have a good reputation nor handle on it, I don't think. A poster above mentioned rounding them up and shipping them to another, less populated area: i.e. less domesticated animals to eat as their population increases.

It would seem extremely important to study carefully where that might be. Alaska, perhaps? Northern Maine is mostly forest and uninhabited. But there are other considerations, for regardless of human population and domesticated animals to feed on, they will have a consequential effect on any ecosystem.


Well in a Kinda Sorta Way Coywolves are a good thing ..

as Here in the North Country St Lawrence & Franklin Counties

There is So Much Deer Here in Certain Heavy Areas that they are Literately Inbreeding with minor deformity most notable is Abnormal Crooked Horns but then again some are claiming that they are a Threat of deer herd population LOL... Wrong .. and Now Coyote and Coywolves are a Sport Game!


This site Here is claiming that ! SHAME!! SHAME yeah im Loud ! Pissed Off!
Then Again here is the Proof ! that Coyotee to Coywolfs exist in the Region of St Lawrence County !
The Town of Waddingtion NY where this Hunting Trip Site is where Deer is Mostly populated and also the Town Madrid that is next to it Surly is but where there is Deer there is Coywolves The Website is Nice Till it talks about killing them..
but if you like to Hunt and Fish and not from around the area its a Nice opportunity..

Example !





The land is crop land with woods and swamps, providing excellent cover for the deer herd. There is a lot of cedar on the land providing good winter feed and cover. A good share of the deer are taken as they travel to and from the crop lands. The last three years our hunters have enjoyed at least a 98% shot opportunity. About 75% took deer home with them. In many case we are able to supply a permit to take a doe. This varies from year to year depending on the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. We give the permits out on a first come first serve basis.





Avatar Mood at the moment :: Pissed ..


HUNT
NORTHERN NEW YORK
Coyote Hunting
www.tslex.com...


From the close of deer season in mid-December right through the end of March we are coyote hunting nearly every day! These are fully guided hunts behind the owner's own bred and trained Walker Hounds. Talk about exciting... this is an incredible way to spend a winter day. These hunts are offered at a substantial discount for two reasons: One, Joe Babbitt is likely going to be hunting with or without you... this is one of his true passions! And, two, the coyote population is getting to the point where it's threatening to damage the deer herd.




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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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Having had experience with Dog-Yote crosses,dog-wolf crosses and Yote-Wolf crosses I will warn everyone now.

When a wolf is crossed with anything the potential for pack behaviour to rear itself will be super strong and can cause violent moments which in a Pack would be understood and accepted.

When a Yote is crossed with anything its natural curiosity and inteligence and adaptability will be super strong and the cross will VERY QUICKLY learn what NOT to fear,it will become fearless and not have the Wolfs instinctual fear of man and unknown environments, Yotes are like vagabonds in some ways they can adapt at lightening speeds.They WILL go right into Cities and towns to hunt pets or their food bowls , if they get the Wolf or Dog body and a touch of instinctual defensiveness they can be grande danger to people especially children.A Yote will naturally run from danger without thinking bout it but a Wolf will look before it reacts generally scoping things out cerebrally, this can make for a cross who has the Yotes curiosity,the Wolfs Intelligence,the Yotes lack of fear,and the Wolfs instinct to look before it runs.


Wolf crosses also frequently give in to instinct and go after large prey.Cows,sheep,whatever.

It is the Yote that ruins everything they are so smart yet jumpy and so curious but so cautious when it comes to threats,and they learn so fast that they overcome fear like nobodys business,they are BOLD.my experiences are with free-range semi-domesticated crosses,not penned and not coddled and not around children.

As a young farm Steward my job was predator management, there were several Yote-Wolf crosses which were wild that I could NEVER get within shooting distances because I was not experienced enough to respect their intelligence and I neutralised few from long distances and taught the smart ones my reach,they NEVER FORGOT IT EITHER FOR YEARS.Just twice and they learned permanently AND taught others as well.But the taught ones sometimes strayed .

i always had at least 5 or 6 animals on the go of all sorts,I was allowed to save them under certain circumstances,strangely enough if they were hurt or wounded and came closer to us for help which happens believe it or not ,they have a lot of leg issues especially if there are trappers around ,i also got to keep them when they were pups.My "dogs" frequently hi-jacked pups and brought them to the yard.




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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
They are beautiful and mysterious. I go to bed every night with them howling, screeching and chorusing outside. I love them so much and to me they're another thread in the wildlife/rural tapestry I've come to enjoy.


Well not so much if you hear it alot LOL ! Do you Like Surround Sound !

I can say have 4 Howling in front of you ! and I Swear it Sounds like
They are all around you ! on the sides and in back of you

Not sure how they Do it! but I have had THAT ! Personal Experience.

unless... they were... all around me .. and didn't show themselves ..

but the 4 that did eventually stopped
then all 4 paced back and forth then headed ( Dashed ) the opposite Direction

They were Gorgeous !

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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Wolfenz

I totally agree with you. I didn't understand that, before. Don't blame you, and I'm pissed, too. Killing them isn't the answer, obviously. Crap. Isn't there some other way? You, yourself, said they were an overpopulation problem, right? What do you think the answer is?
I'm asking because then there's some way, surely, to lobby for another way of controlling the population, if enough people get together to object. Would that work? What are the answers.

@one4all
That was a great post with really fascinating information.
tetra
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: Wolfenz

I totally agree with you. I didn't understand that, before. Don't blame you, and I'm pissed, too. Killing them isn't the answer, obviously. Crap. Isn't there some other way? You, yourself, said they were an overpopulation problem, right? What do you think the answer is?
I'm asking because then there's some way, surely, to lobby for another way of controlling the population, if enough people get together to object. Would that work? What are the answers.

@one4all
That was a great post with really fascinating information.
tetra


In my experience it is difficult to control the populations without controlling their food sources and even that is not a finite solution because their litters are somehow regulated by their diets and health,the numbers of pups fluctuate to help sustain the overall population.

I am a firm believer in live trapping, but the costs are astronomical because of the need to relocate the animals to keep them alive and from re-offending.

For Livestock farmers predators can be devastating, in National Parks they can devestate ungulate populations and other populations if populations are not checked,you see when we put them into protected parks they reach peak health they have optimal food sources and are very healthy and this leads them to stray even if you keep their populations low some when optimally healthy will want to stray out of the Parks,people think that if we simply take away pups the populations will remain at home and controlled but they overlook many things,it is their overall health that encourages them to wander,and to have specificlly sized litters,if you keep taking their pups they will simply have larger litters if the food is good and they are at peak health,and when they are producing large litters they get the expansion gene turned on and some want to stray even when the pups are taken away.


I think the long term solution is to create a method to sterilise Adults so they simply take up room and prevent natural urges to over-reproduce by maintaing a stable adult population ,this allows them to maximise perfect living conditions and health and NOT over-produce pups.Sterilising prevents population increases but keeps the adults occupying territory and regulates instinctual changes to their reproduction habits.if you remove to many adults the litter sizes will increase.You need to keep the adults sterilised for optimal management and the litter sizes natrually low.



Did you see the Park dilemma?

If you reduce food availability to a pack it will produce smaller litters but will want to stray more and more,if you provide optimal health and food they will also produce large litters and when populations increase they will want to stray,even if you remove pups there are other natural drivers which will tell some to s tray and expand,when they are healthy they want to expand,when they are starving they want to expand.

To imitate nature cycles we would need to allow the strays to stray and immediatly remove them ,but after removing pups and strays and relocating them in ten years we would have wolves on our back steps.We need to let nature cull her own but we cannot do that because of the real estate we occupy,this means we are responsible for helping nature do her job when we interfere.The Natural survival rates are very low and people dont accept that a mother with a huge litter simply has more to lose.Nature takes a lot of pups and young animals when she is in balance,but when she is taken out of balance someone needs to do her job by the numbers.this one way or another means removing members of the populations permanently.

The best we can do is care for the Adults we still have and sterilise enough of them as we remove pups and strays,one way or another we need to replicate natures popullation control while providing animals with optimal habitat thereby encouraging robust reproduction.It is a real delicate challenge.




it is impossible for natures perfect scales to find middle ground with Humans because we are oddities.

If you remove our needs then the populations quickly find natural balance but you can never remove Humanitys needs which are ever increasing.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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The stupid common senseless morons in the DNR here where I live dropped in coyotes to help with the overpopulation of deer instead of letting hunters get extra stamps. Pure geniuses, they are. Now, they have dropped wolves here to help thin out the coyotes population. They are now saying that they didn't drop them here but they are liars. Again, these nimrods making decisions are geniuses(NOT). We've had several wolf sightings over the last several months. All of them had tracking collars on. You can only imagine what it's done to the rabbit population and other animals. Now, we always have to be on the lookout because of the dangerous animals that may try and snatch our kids from the yard or attack us. Many people are angered about it. Too many dumb people in control. Not far from me, the DNR thought it would be a good idea to drop in black rattlers. Pure geniuses. I will say that I've seen many coyote carcass' piled up at gates(old logging roads). I would imagine that there will be wolves piled up as well. Just guessing
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: Wolfenz

Their sound carries and bounces off every surface. You'd think one was right on top of you and it's a mile away. Years ago I had one take a rabbit right in front of the house and in the morning there were tiny bones with some rabbit hair on it. They definitely make my guests' skin crawl






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