a reply to: zardust
Thank you for bringing “reason” to the threads you post in.Even though your “mystic” opinions cloud the issue your eyes see through to a
truth.You are very correct.It is mankind that has has a “imperception” of the creator God.Man can only perceive “their God” through the filter
of their Belief System.
The old testimony is mostly a cursory history of the nation of Israel to the 2 Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.”Their” version” of how things
happened is very skewered. A man only sees”(believes) what they want to believe.They “believed” their “God” did all the things they
described which is completely fallacious. The creator God did NOT “command” them to slaughter people or the many other vile acts they committed
however they did it(told stories and committed mayhem) because that was their “nature and character” which is their name…Israel…struggles with
Man kind(Israel) has made the creator God into “their” image through their Belief System religion.It is no wonder the Israelites and the Jews
believed God to be a bloodthirsty vengeful angry God…that is exactly who they were (and mankind is). King David was the epitome of his people(at the
time Israel not Judah).He was a murderer and revengeful..even up to his deathbed.
The creator God has not changed from the old testimony to the new testimony at all.There is not a “new law” it has always been the same.Those are
“conventions” of religion of people “justifying” their Belief System.They are still ruled by THEIR judgement/observation of the tree of
the“ knowledge of good and evil”(truth and untruth) and make their laws and bend them accordingly.That’s ALL the plethora of a persons
“theology” is …. trying to “decode” the mind of the “their” God when it is just themselves making their “religion” fit whatever
theories they have…there is Nothing is new under the sun..and surely ALL is vanity.
The baptism is very simple (like everything else).There is NOTHNG to decode through “symbols”.Humans are “born/delivered” through water.That
is the essence of what Yahoshua stated in John 3:-7.That baptism was into the material realm of “matter” the valley of the shadow of death and
LIFE.Then Yahoshua stated but to LIVE(spirit) you must be “born anew” on high..NOT again.That is exactly what Nicodemus believed he meant.If
“re-incarnation is believed then it is not being born anew at all but being born again to die again over and over …it is a life of
death!Fortunately re-incarnation is NOTHING like what anyones Belief System about it is.
The baptism(birth delivery which is the meaning of salvation) into LIFE is not of “water” but of “fire” and of course not literal fire.That
is why John was told to write in the book of unveiling a ”lake of fire”.That is the 2nd death.Man first dies in the material realm in the flesh
(matter).They are then in the realm of death they are then “baptized” through “fire” by tormenting…which comes from the word
touchstone…which is how metals are tested fro purification.Those are the metaphors of things that CAN NOT be known because anything of any other
realm besides the material realm can NOT be known “while” in the material realm.
Yahoshua was stating you were born through water from your “mothers womb” into the material realm life and that “life” will end because it is
a mere misty and dark shadow(in a valley below) being cast by LIFE …THEN you WILL die and you WILL be dead.Then when(which is not a time at all) you
are fully formed “fetus” in the womb you will be delivered(baptized) into LIFE….above… on high…that LIFE is NOT in the material realm…all
life in the material world is the shadow of death.
That is NOT as above so below.That construct is just BS(Belief System) religion doctrines to fit a religious agenda.NONE has ascended into the
“heavens”(there is no “HEAVEN”) except him that descended into the material real……the Son of the creator God…Yahoshua.This NOT
Yahoshua descended because Yahoshua was the “seed”(son) of the Father “sown” into the material realm of
“matter”(earth…soil….adamah).In one sense the Father the creator God cannot “exist” in the material realm just as your father could not
“exist” in your mothers womb however he could sow a “seed”into your mothers womb..and of course that’s where the analogy breaks down because
how and why what the creator God the Father did works cannot be known.It is not of this world (realm) but the shadow can be seen(human conception).
That is the point …mankind’s religious BS(Belief System) cannot “know” anything of the creator God because belief is the “anthesis” of
knowing.There is NO system at all(decoding,deciphering,religion,philosophy,psychology,science etc etc) that will EVER cause man to “know” the
creator God in the physical realm because that is the creator Gods nature…they cannot exist in the physical realm it is impossible.Even though all
of the material universe could fit very snuggly into a “seed” atom the creator God cannot that would be like everything trying to fit inside of
Of course all reality breaks down here which btw is shadowed in quantum mechanical nonlocality entanglement(the biggest mystery of all matter)….
however there is no point in”knowing” that if the basis of truth is not known.The central Truth of everything is..there is a creator God (and man
is not them) and they are 100% in control of EVERYTHING…..what is perceived as complete chaos and entropy is not what it is perceived as.Mankind
DOES NOT have a “will free of causality” the creator God is the “cause” of 100% of EVERYTHING…they baptize(cause LIFE) not man…..mans
purpose is to 100% receive and NOTHING else..everything else is vanity and BS.