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Reality Spoilers - Noah and the Flood is Symbolism for Baptism - Rebirth (Born Again)

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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: Swills

You are absolutely correct. The religion of Christianity does mimic and take on ancient stories, however it doesn't make what the OP is saying any less pertinent.

Our Ancient history is relative to the Word within the Bible and abroad.

The Flood is symbolic. The Bible does have layers of meaning and interpretation, however if you understand the mysteries and symbols, you are ahead of the game. As is the OP.




posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Yeah,well played God well played...kill the "fallen ones" and also kill innocent people with them,it sounds hypocrit to me.And yeah,I can say that,following your logic,that God also let Lucifer to live in order to blame him for God's atrocities.
I am not a satanist,nor christian nor muslim,I am an agnostic and I don't support satan nor the christian God.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Jesuslives4u

I don't need luck. Thank you anyway.

Lies? That is STRONG statement there.

Prove they are lies.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: MamaJ

There's no probably, it is 100% correct.

The floods aren't symbolic. They actually happened, that's why many ancient cultures have stories about it.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: PaulTheDuke
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Yeah,well played God well played...kill the "fallen ones" and also kill innocent people with them,it sounds hypocrit to me.And yeah,I can say that,following your logic,that God also let Lucifer to live in order to blame him for God's atrocities.
I am not a satanist,nor christian nor muslim,I am an agnostic and I don't support satan nor the christian God.


INNOCENT people????? ROFLMAO!

Sounds hypocrite, really? So....... who did you create today?


And ten year olds in the Middle East cutting people's heads off and screaming death to U.S.A. etc......

And I guess these children are also innocent, huh?
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Swills

i never said probably nor did I say the flood didn't happen. I know it happened.

As above so below.

The flood ... the Word... has different meanings though. Not just one meaning to take and run with it.

The symbolism is key to understanding.

The layers of the Word within and abroad is also key to understanding.

The wisdom that is shown here in this thread and every one of his threads are from the countless hours of knowledge received from insight.

It is not for everyone to understand though. We each have a path and for some, this understanding is a far reach... this go around anyway.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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And ten year olds in the Middle East cutting people's heads off and screaming death to U.S.A. etc......

And I guess these children are also innocent, huh?


It looks like you are running low on arguments and you go off-topic and you enter in a rage mode.

In your close-minded world you really don't understand what is really happening in the Middle-East.Those ten years old kids you are telling me are implemented from birth with islamic bull# and a hate against USA,those kids don't know anything about this world,they are somekind of "robot soldiers" ,it has nothing to do with the flood.

Do you have any proofs of kids out there,cutting innocent people's heads ?
If God is so almighty,why doesn't He send a flood there ? Also,killing those "infected" people and innocent people,like womans and little babies.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: PaulTheDuke
a reply to: Jesuslives4u




And ten year olds in the Middle East cutting people's heads off and screaming death to U.S.A. etc......

And I guess these children are also innocent, huh?


It looks like you are running low on arguments and you go off-topic and you enter in a rage mode.

In your close-minded world you really don't understand what is really happening in the Middle-East.Those ten years old kids you are telling me are implemented from birth with islamic bull# and a hate against USA,those kids don't know anything about this world,they are somekind of "robot soldiers" ,it has nothing to do with the flood.

Do you have any proofs of kids out there,cutting innocent people's heads ?
If God is so almighty,why doesn't He send a flood there ? Also,killing those "infected" people and innocent people,like womans and little babies.


Either you live in cave or not enough money to buy a newspaper or a TV?

No reason to reply......



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: MamaJ

I dunno why but I read "probably". The Bible is relative to ancient history. The Old Testament wasn't handed down by god to Moses, it's a collection of ancient stories, many of which originate from Sumeria. The flood is not symbolic, it happened and their wasn't just one.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: Jesuslives4u

Why are you putting your trust with the American Media? Do you know that man in his ways lies.

Did you know that the world we live in is built on greed? How then will this world stand on its own when it is divided and greedy.

The world we live in is a reality created by the one with no love for his brother, only self.

Everything you are reading about the Middle East is tainted.

On topic...

It is my understanding a Word has multiple meanings. Each of us have our own interpretation of said meaning/meanings.

The symbolism the OP is conveying you will either understand or you won't.

Our world has symbolism all in it and one can see it in the Bible through and through. Its an amazing find when you first realize the many layers.
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: MamaJ

I dunno why but I read "probably". The Bible is relative to ancient history. The Old Testament wasn't handed down by god to Moses, it's a collection of ancient stories, many of which originate from Sumeria. The flood is not symbolic, it happened and their wasn't just one.


True, but I disagree with the last sentence.

It is indeed symbolic.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: MamaJ

Then agree to disagree, but are you saying there was never a great flood?



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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Thank you so much for the kind words. I am lucky to have the gifts I am given.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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The simple truth is lost in the OP.

when the word says that 1Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


Who Peter talking too?

1Peter 1:1 to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia The strangers here were those who were not in their land but more specifically it is Israel who are strsngers in these lands by the roman dispersion that started in 120BC.

It is Israel to whom this is address.

You will notice in 1Peter 3:20, that only 8 people survived the flood.

Anyone who thinks they are strong enough to convict God of unjust behaviour. Please you go to him and tell him it everyday and that you are calling him to be accountable to you right now for all those he killed unjustly. And like a lawyer present the evidence from the word of God. Do this daily in your house until he answers. I guarantee that he will answer you though he may be long suffering in hearing your words he will answer. So don't stop presenting your case until he answers of which some cases take years to finally get a verdict and a sentence.

Back to the topic

Only 8 survived then is 21 it tells Israel (the strangers scatter abroad) Peter says the baptism doth also now save us. This whole book is pointed of Israel in a future time because they were not save back in 60AD or after when this was written. So it speaking forward in time to what people call the Great Tribulation. the gospel of the Kingdom also called the gospel of the circumcision (again a Jewish reference) included baptism as part of their salvation experience. The current Age of the church, the gospel of the grace of God, does not include this as a salvation necessity.

The fact that only 8 survive tells us that very few people will be saved in that time and it will most likely be a remnant of Israel and a remnant of the nations. And again it is to Israel. The collateral saving of a remnant of the nations from the great Tribulation were spared so that the nations could be ruled over from Jerusalem as promised to Israel and their king David.

Baptism in no way saves anyone today. For today the Gospel of the Grace of God is faith upon the finished substitutionary death for each man who believes it, and that the resurrection of Christ gives them the promise of eternal life if they believe with their heart and confess with their mouth. No work of baptism will save anyone today.

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.






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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: AlephBet

That story comes from Sumeria, a civilian older than the Old Testament but many ancient civilians have their own deluge story. The story of the great flood is much older than the idea of the Christian baptism.


I agree with you on much of this. Babel requires that the story is the same, but preservation spreads out across all cultures. Each nation has a piece of the puzzle. Baptism is an ancient concept known as involution and evolution.

In Hebrew, the word True is Aleph Mem Nun, or Strong water and seed. You can also look at this as the strength of water to preserve the seed. When we say Amen, we are saying AMN, or let it be true.

If you then look at the root AMN from Greek, it spells the following words and only these words.

AMN is Lamb

Amni is river of life

Amnio is the bowl that catches the sacrifice (blood and amniotic fluid) from the ancient roman sacrifice of a lamb.

Amnion is the sac that covers the baby in the womb. Also know as the caul.

Amniotic Fluid is the water of the womb (mother's cup)

Amnesia is the condition of the lamb in the water (We do not remember)

Amnesty is when God forgets our trespass on his property. Both Amnesia and amnesty come from the same Latin word.

dAMNation is when the lamb is taken away and God remembers.

In Hebrew it is TRUE. In Greek it is LAMB. The True Lamb. We can never separate the Bible from both sides of the equation. Hebrew is the (East) literal / concrete tree of knowledge. Greek is the (West) abstract / mathematical aspect. Just as there are 22 letters of Hebrew, there are 24 letters of Greek. Just as the Human has 2 pairs of 22 chromosomes plus 2 sex chromosomes, 46 total letters comprise the human form. We are East (Hebrew hemisphere) and West (Greek hemisphere). One side of our thinking is left brain and the other right. The two must become one.

AMEN



Baptism is encoded into the letters and words of our tree of knowledge (Language / Technology of Genesis).

See this thread: Hiddden in the Letters of Creation



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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1Peter 1:1 to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia The strangers here were those who were not in their land but more specifically it is Israel who are strsngers in these lands by the roman dispersion that started in 120BC.


I see what you are saying. Add to this and consider these passages in relation:

1 Corinthians 10

10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Moses is also a picture of baptism. The sheep are scattered in the wilderness. Yes, the passage you mention is speaking of literal nations, but symbolically, this is all of us scattered across the world. The Sea above is the the water. We are drops. In the bible, the sea represents the nations. The Cloud is the veil that covers us (Matter). We are baptized into the veil and water of the ocean. A Sea is inland. The rock is Petra and not Petros. Petros is the rock that is moved, like when Jesus called Peter Petros and then said He (JEUSU) would found his church on Petra, the foundation that is not moved. The bodies are scattered in baptism, or literally resurrection. Peter is the church and the stone that must be rolled away to reveal the true Son of God. The Church has been the false representation.

Here is another witness to what I am saying.

Hebrews 11

“It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

---Follow what is being said. How are dead raised in resurrection? They are returned to the mother / mater / matrix.

32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.

From the passage above, we see how Israel lost sons on the battle field. What happened after they died? Read the next verse:

35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.

Again, it is written in symbolism. They were seeking a better resurrection than the one the left at death. The mothers received back their dead to LIFE again. RAISED!

How? Baptism. You MUST be born again.





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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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Baptism in no way saves anyone today. For today the Gospel of the Grace of God is faith upon the finished substitutionary death for each man who believes it, and that the resurrection of Christ gives them the promise of eternal life if they believe with their heart and confess with their mouth. No work of baptism will save anyone today.


You might consider that Baptism is the mechanism by which God speaks to Israel. By Israel, we are speaking of all of us. Paul also states that the unrighteous will also be resurrected. He was in front of Felix defending his position on resurrection against the Sadducees who did not believe in resurrection. This is the ONE point that made them hate both Jesus and Paul.

Acts 24

I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, 15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.

NOTE. Paul believed that BOTH the righteous and unrighteous would be here to see this:

Revelation 1

“Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c]
So shall it be! Amen.

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

ALL EYES. There are 14 billion eyes open today to see this event. As promised, all eyes will see. Just as Job said he would be here to see with his own eyes (check op verses), so too are all of us here in the first resurrection. Baptism is the key to how this is accomplished in our day. We are at the end of day 6, the time before we rest.

1) Adam to Abraham (Age of Father) - 2 Days, or 2000 years.

2) Issac to Jesus (Age of Son) 2 Days

3) Jesus to Today (Age of the Spirit) 2 Days

That's six. 1 day of Rest.

At the end of Age one, the Father is revealed

At the end of age two, the Son is revealed

At the end of our age, the Holy Spirit descends on mankind. We are made new by the work of all three.

Epistle of Barnabas

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Or, you could consult Enoch to see if BOTH the righteous and wicked are raised into bodies together.

Enoch One

1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

Note what he says. "when ALL the wicked and godless are to be removed." Also note, "Who will be living in the days of tribulation."

This is baptism, or resurrection. We are the first resurrection.

If you continue reading Enoch, the then shows the fallen ones, the flood symbolism and the restoration of the righteous by the flood of Noah leading to our day and age.

Baptism is being born again into this story so that we can see the entire thing. One day, we will remember all of the lives we live. How? We are the Son of God. The body has many parts.




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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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Most extradimensional creatures are either trying to get you to destroy your own ego and worship them or submit your will and let them assume total control over you. These are not beings we should be exhausting this much mental energy for.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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Conscious life, including the life of the "creator" that you seem to worship was truly an accident. There was a timeless, static potentiality for everything which spawned all that exists including the "gods" and their "creation." Life is not a gift, life is a theft.

You are robbing the essential energy of the ultimate nonduality in order to manifest yourself, your will and the objects of your efforts into reality.

Understanding that essential truth, you must make a decision. Do you claim your authority as your own justifying it with the promise of evolution and progress or justifying it with your own hedonism or do you ebb against the flow of the ages, denouncing your ego and surrendering to the forces of annihilation?

Those are ultimately your only two options. Toying around somewhere in this middle earth is insanity. Get off the fence, pick a team. Trust me, no god out there has the ability to promise you eternal life when the overwhelming majority of forces in this universe are heading back towards their own self-destruction.



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