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Is Jesus being depicted as satan in the arts?

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posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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Wasn't Jesus name Joshua or that's the closest anglacised version of it. Wasn't Jesus the Greek version?




posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: ArchPlayer

Jesus was not some literary plagiarism of Horus. First one must consider that ~5000 years worth of Egyptian myth containing many dissimilar variations of the Horus myth have been cherry picked in an effort to find similarities to the Christian gospel. Yet the culmination of this work results merely in a collection of half truths and deceptions.

1. Horus born of a virgin-Horus was born to Isis who had been impregnated by the golden phallus of Osiris which she had fashioned for her husband whom she had resurrected.

2.Horus baptized-"Anup the baptizer" is the creation of George Massey a 19th century poet and amateur Egyptologist. Although widely ignored in academia he is heavily referenced by Murdoch who connects Anubis to Anup and then compares John the baptist to Anubis.

3.Horus tempted by Set-Horus engaged in battle with Set. Satan was not attempting to kill Jesus. Egyptians believed the battle resulted in a reconciliation between Set and Horus.

4.Horus had 12 followers- Another invention of Massey. This based of a painting entitled “the twelve who reap the harvest” a painting which does not include Horus. According to the various myths Horus was followed by either 4 sons of Horus, 6 demigods, or a "number" of people these numbers in their various permutations never equal 12.

5. Horus' miracles- Were not done by Horus himself physically but rather by his spirit at his altar.

6.Jesus was not buried in Bethany. Bethany is not derived from Bet Anu but rather Beth Ananiah, Beth Hini, or Bet Anya (meaning Hous of dates, House of figs, and house of affliction respectively.

7.The Egyptian Seb has nor etymological similarity to the Hebrew Joseph.

8. Horus' "resurrection" was from a Scorpion sting and most translations of the source material interpret that he was healed from sickness not resurrected. This did not occur 3 days later but immediately following the sting.

9. KRST was not a title given to Horus but an Egyptian word meaning burial.

There's plenty more a lot of which can be found Here w/ sources. Most of this stuff was thought up by Massey, expanded upon by Murdoch, swallowed and regurgitated by Peter Joseph in Zeitgeist and Bill Maher in Religulous. It's Atheist propaganda pure and simple.

In addition to this we are to believe that the church founders were experts in Egyptian mythology who were also so completely insane as to follow their own fictional mythology to what in most cases were horrific deaths.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Nechash

Do you have scripture for this? Never heard that.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: Jesuslives4u

No, it was the Apostles writing down everything Jesus said or did. And the NT was made 296 years later, NT made, signed, approved, and stamped.

If i remember correctly, John was pretty much the first christian...Or judeo-Christian.

Everything was based of Jesus later.



So......the Apostles wrote what Jesus said, huh? Isn't that what I said, .....the teachings of Jesus???? Right?? And if you are referring to NIcea...that was not when the NT was made.........??

BTW - Both the OT and NT is based on Jesus. Are you aware of that?




posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: SuspendedBelief

Jesus is depicted as Satan in the bible. Both are referred to as serpents and both are called the morning star. There is a reason for this. The Holy Mother/Adonis doctrine preexists Christ by a few millenia and has more to do with the symoblism surrounding luciferianism than it does with the symbolism surrounding theocracy.


I would like for you to show us all where in the bible is Jesus referred to as a serpent and when was Jesus called the morning star?

Are you a seventh day adventist>?



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Jesuslives4u

If you want to call my religion anything, call it freedom. I am not a servant of extradimensional beings. Satanic/Luciferian imagery interests me as it does many brazen individuals.

Look up the term Nechashistan and look up the numerical connection between Messiah and Serpent in the Hebrew language. Read Isaiah's prophecy where he talks about the King of Babylon and read the Apocalypse of John. There is no mistake behind the Catholic doctrine that the morning star in Isaiah should be translated as Lucifer, because the King of Babylon was a willful authoritarian who defied the idea that mankind was created to worship other beings. Why would Iesus Christos take this term for himself, or at least, why would John attribute it to him?

The spirit of rebellion lives in the hearts of a diverse many who are peppered into every generation to create a pressure for us to take this life seriously and to move forward in progress and evolution with the end goal of having an independent cosmos.

The morning star was also a reference to Venus if that means anything to you.

The insult proposed by Christianity is that the avatar of liberty would sacrifice his life for a totalitarian, that he would struggle with his own ego in the desert and destroy his own spirit of independence, that he would rise up to be absorbed by an extradimensional being, totally losing his individuality in perpetuity, becoming an empty husk possessed by a god. You need to clip yourself off from that ideology. Very poisonous to a lover of the light.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: SuspendedBelief

Jesus is depicted as Satan in the bible. Both are referred to as serpents and both are called the morning star. There is a reason for this. The Holy Mother/Adonis doctrine preexists Christ by a few millenia and has more to do with the symoblism surrounding luciferianism than it does with the symbolism surrounding theocracy.


I would like for you to show us all where in the bible is Jesus referred to as a serpent and when was Jesus called the morning star?

Are you a seventh day adventist>?


John 3:14 NIV:
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up"

Revelation 22:16 NIV:
I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.

Why don't you stop trying to pigeonhole people into some off-shoot of your religion that will let you feel superior to them in some way?

Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists make PRECISELY the same amount of sense in their beliefs as standard Christianity, whether of the Protestant or Catholic variety.

Further, the only way that the Old Testament is "about Jesus" is based on beliefs that his coming is prophesized ... well, that and the centuries of doctoring the records to make it all work out right, LOL.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: borntowatch


I seriously can not identify one single recognised, published atheist who would deny Christ as a real person.
I would go one step further and say if an (educated) atheist published that Christ was not a real man, they would be laughed out of atheism and assigned to a padded cell.

Go study the hardcore fundamentalist atheists and see who deny Christs existence, all deny Jesus was God and performed miracles, none dent Jesus lived.


Dr Richard Carrier
And he's not in a padded cell - he speaks and lectures all over the country.

Look at youtube and type in Dr Richard Carrier
GOBS of videos of his lectures.
He's also written some books that will knock your "proof" out of the park.


Yeah but Carrier is an in house joke.
He believes an undocumented Greek wrote letters and sent them out to people and they believed them and and and...through to the birth of Christianity.
No proof, no evidence, no history. Yet Carrier accepts his belief because his belief suits him.
He is a joke, but some people grasp any straws.

The reality is that Christianity was a sect that started off in Israel at the time of Christ with many eyewitnesses and grew worldwide.
Israel a country with and proud of its own religious identity prior to Christ.

Another contentious issue seemingly is not answering incorrect statements. Death to apologetics?
I agree the only reason someone would make a statement that Christ did not exist would be for the sake of arguing.
If Christians stood silent and allowed false claims to be let run riot?



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: borntowatch


Yeah but Carrier is an in house joke.
He believes an undocumented Greek wrote letters and sent them out to people and they believed them and and and...through to the birth of Christianity.
No proof, no evidence, no history. Yet Carrier accepts his belief because his belief suits him.
He is a joke, but some people grasp any straws.

He's a "joke"?

Really? So, how is it then that he is invited to be in documentaries, speak at lectures and conferences?

"Some people grasp any straws"

????
Wow.
He is a historian. Have you even listened to what he has to say?
Or do you just only listen to Lee Strobel?

Just curious.





posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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Palm up and palm down also appears in christian art which as well shows up other places it seems. It means two opposite aspects the good and the bad basically.

a reply to: Josephus

I dont recall this being the standard christian apologetics thread.



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: ArchPlayer
1st, lets prove Jesus even existed, since we all know Christianity was based on the Greek texts they heavily edited; the Greeks got it from Sun Worship from the Nubians, and there WAS NO JESUS.

So let's start there.


You can not prove that Jesus did not exist.

You called that card.

Since many ATS members love to pull out the "Prove it card" as if on some type of fact finding mission. LMAO!

You can barely prove your existance. So prove to the world that Jesus never existed. I am calling you out. Prove it.


Any logical person will dismiss the so called existence of a "man/god" who was supposedly born from a woman who never had sex with a man. From the get go, you want us to believe this Jesus person was magically implanted into his mother's womb, by, no other than "GOD", the creator of the Universe!

Then you insist that this "man/god" walked on water, turned water to wine, manifested food from almost nothing, raised the dead, including himself, after he deliberately had himself murdered so that he could die for our sins.

And you mock people who question this! Surely, this person NEVER existed.



edit on 23-8-2014 by windword because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2014 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: cArLoSCuBsTaR
I don't want to get involved in the 'he said, she said' business, but thefarmers correct. You can't prove Jesus existed. Because Jesus wasn't his name if he did exist. So, as suggested in the OP, maybe you are worshipping the wrong guy? Jesus is most certainly a pagan deity, created by Rome but based on or stolen from the Hebrew Yeshua. (whose translated name would be Joshua). Jesus would have been pronounced as 'hey-Zeus' and as we know, Zeus is the Greek God of Gods, comparible with Jupiter of the Latin side on this coin who just so happens to be where we get our image of God YHWH. (white beard, white robes, smite by lightening etc).

I guess where I'm goin with this is that Christians tend to believe that Christ is special while only looking at it with their self righteous Christian blinkers on. Your religion is most definitely 100% contrived. More so then the rest. If I was ever to subscribe to a spiritual control system, I would probably choose the oldest, thus closest to the source, not the newest and quite obviously contrived utter nonsense.

His fingers are that way because the people who painted it knew this. Why don't you?



Dude this is a bunch of crap they are teaching at the university these days. Do be advised of it and never consider for a moment that the folks that come up with this hogwash don't have an agenda. The Jesus "debunking" of this day and age is the greatest conspiracy of bull swoller know to mankind, the moon and mars combined. You are being tooled.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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From what I have studied it means as it is above so it is below that's why most the time one hand points up the other down. It's kinda like a 4th dimension thing. What happens in heavens effects earth and earth the heavens

Some say it's a energy thing where the beings from a higher energy field effect the lower as the lower effects the higher. Still don't get how a 3d thing can even try to under stand 4d. That's like us trying to explain our realm to a thing from a 2d realm
edit on 24-8-2014 by cloudsstar because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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originally posted by: Thefarmer

originally posted by: Jesuslives4u

originally posted by: ArchPlayer
1st, lets prove Jesus even existed, since we all know Christianity was based on the Greek texts they heavily edited; the Greeks got it from Sun Worship from the Nubians, and there WAS NO JESUS.

So let's start there.

You can not prove that Jesus did not exist.
You called that card.
Since many ATS members love to pull out the "Prove it card" as if on some type of fact finding mission. LMAO!
You can barely prove your existance. So prove to the world that Jesus never existed. I am calling you out. Prove it.

Prove that he did...

And please just because it's in a book don't prove anything


A preponderance of evidence DOES prove he exists based on the widely known people who were trusted as 100% honest individuals at the time.
And the superb writing styles that showed clearly how those testimonies were given, were done with highly exceptional integrity.
The word "Integrity" and it's meaning today are lost on a very corrupted world though, so all I have just stated will be spat upon.

My entire point is this:
Today, people look upon gold and only see fools gold so they ignore it.
Today when you see a diamond, people will ignore it because all they think it is, is cheap glass.
So, even when the truth IS spoken, it is ignored and seen only if it fits how that person wants to shape their own life.
edit on 24-8-2014 by NoCorruptionAllowed because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: borntowatch


Yeah but Carrier is an in house joke.
He believes an undocumented Greek wrote letters and sent them out to people and they believed them and and and...through to the birth of Christianity.
No proof, no evidence, no history. Yet Carrier accepts his belief because his belief suits him.
He is a joke, but some people grasp any straws.

He's a "joke"?

Really? So, how is it then that he is invited to be in documentaries, speak at lectures and conferences?

"Some people grasp any straws"

????
Wow.
He is a historian. Have you even listened to what he has to say?
Or do you just only listen to Lee Strobel?

Just curious.




I have read reports on Mr Carrier from atheists who mock him, plenty of it.

s for Lee Strobel, its a familiar name but I dont know his work or him



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 06:18 AM
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It is my personal opinion that it means (as was mentioned in a reply by bhornbuckle75) "BOTH". Jesus said " I am Alpha and Omega". Another interesting point is that when Jesus ( and yes i know that was probably not his real name) was accused of casting out demons by the chief of demons he simply said that the Kingdom of Heaven is NOT divided. I will let the readers ponder the implications of those words. I feel strongly that the two Covering Cherubs in the Most Holy Place represent this duality. I think the two are "Justice and Mercy " Which the Bible says are the two principles that God's throne is founded on. Justice/Satan is the accuser of the Brethren and Mercy/Jesus is the justifier. The tricky part is that they are both ultimately one and infact may very well be one and the same.

Now I would like to point out that I don't think that Satan or Jesus condone everything that is done on the Earth. The Bible makes it clear that God reaps where he does not sow. Humanity is the biggest perpetrator of evil on the Earth. Now I would like to give two examples of what I mean by that. Let's say that someone with imperfect knowledge of an event passes judgement on said event and administers what they perceive to be justice. Now let's say that after the fact new information comes to light that reveals they were wrong in their assessment and infact committed an injustice in their judgement. Justice in and of itself is a good thing but justice applied with imperfect knowledge can lead to injustice. This happens all the time from the littlest things to the biggest. Now by the same token if we show mercy to someone that has done something deserving of punishment and that individual has no intention of not doing it again we have again committed an injustice. So while mercy and justice are both good things when either one is applied outside of perfect knowledge they can very easily lead to injustice.

Here are a couple of other verses that may help shed light on this question of Jesus/Satan. One is the verse that says " The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone". As I pondered this verse I began to ask myself...how can you reject a stone that LATER becomes the chief corner stone when the corner stone is the first stone laid ( In conventional construction ). It wasn't until I thought of this verrse in the light of constructing a pyramid that it made sense to me. Couple with this verse the verse that says "Let your eye be single for God" and now the pyramid with the all seeing eye at the top may not seem so ominous. Especially if we consider that "ALL SEEING" may mean seeing from ALL perspectives and not watching EVERYONE in order to GET us. I fully believe that when the LIGHT truly comes to us we will see just how foolish our blindness has made us.

Harry



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed




A preponderance of evidence DOES prove he exists based on the widely known people who were trusted as 100% honest individuals at the time.


Nonsense! There is ZERO evidence of the existence of your man/god. There is, however, proof of at least 6000 Jewish men and women being crucified outside the city wall of Jerusalem. I'm sure some of them were named "Jesus".



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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Guys lighten up. Here have a horned Moses due to bad bible translations saying he had horns and Michaelangelo being a prankster to Pope Julius II




posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: windword

Of cause there is, many historians of the time wrote about Joshua (Jesus) which includes the writings of Josephus etc.



posted on Aug, 24 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: glend

The writings of Josephus on the so called "Christ" is a well known forgery. History and the "church" are well known for their pious forgeries.




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