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The Cannabis Conspiracy

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: ChaosComplex
Back when I was a pothead, lack of sleep was no problem at all. One of the things I miss about it is being able to sleep easily, fire up the bong and relax, and sleep would come, even if I didn't want to sleep. Back then it was not the same, passing out early meant waking up with magic marker face paint


I am now an insomniac, and it sucks really bad. Tonight, for the first time in over 10 years, I will be smoking. I am in a lot of pain due to a tooth, and have to wait till monday to get it fixed, I called last friday. Medical issues suck up here in canada, I have to wait more than a week, or pay a $300 emergency fee and be seen after hours. I got 500 total to spend on my mouth, so no way am I going to blow 300 of it just to be seen at a decent interval. Tooth pain is hell, I hope to get some sleep tonight. I will wait till I am too drunk to get a panic attack, then light it up. Glad I live in a civilized place and can get it easy without having to worry that the guy giving it to me is an undercover cop waiting to beat me or kill me




posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

People can't live without food and water, they can easily live without a lot of poisonous substances that are not needed.

I live in a free healthcare country, but the system is heavily handicapped by unnecessary sickness caused by too many useless self inflicted substances, such as alcohol, tobacco, weed and a dozen more.

The money is not there anymore because it's spent on self inflicted illnesses and the waiting list for REALLY sick people are years long, in some cases people die because there is no time or money for them.
The organ/blood donors are at an extreme low cause people are poisoning themself making the blood and organs useless, that again is making longer waiting list and causing people who is in need of care suffer.

Adding another poison is not going to help the health care at all, it's completely pointless.

Am i still a fascist and did you actually understand what i just said, cause thats not fascist at all, in a world with 7 bill. people there need to be some regulations if we all are going to live a good life, it's part of being in a society, especially a society where everyone pays to the free healthcare, no one should die or suffer because a few want to poison them self and then go for health care making others wait.

Resources are limited and doesn't come free...

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: ChaosComplex
I quit pot cold turkey, I had a little boredom problem at first. Whoopidy doo, and that was after smoking every single day, once a day from 12-16, multiple times a day from 16-22(I think I was 22 when I quit, I didn't bother counting like an addict lol).

I also quit a SSNRI called effexor XR cold turkey. Oh boy, that was an experience to remember. I mighta ended up killing myself if I didn't know what to expect from it. I did a lot of research before quitting it, and it seemed to me, that people that weened off had the same exact problem, except over a years time, and if you quit cold turkey, you would have the problems a month or two. I am not on disability, so I just quit during the naturally slow period of work all at once. It was insane, I felt like I was insane a lot of the time quitting. Hallucinations, not sleeping for days on end, brain shivers. Was crazy. I was lucky to find an online support group and had people I could message or call whenever to talk me down from the craziest times lol.

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye
"Resources are limited and doesn't come free..."

Exactly. Thats the point of making Cannabis legal.

Also, define Poison. I think if you actually look that term up you might either admit you made a mistake or just dont really understand the term as it is now used.

So, your argument is the affect making MJ legal will have on Health Care?? Are you concerned it will lower those affects or will they increase the affect?? If your answer is that your concerned it will lower the affect than you are correct.

If your argument is on Donors of blood or an organ than again you are wrong. There is not one documented proof of Weed (as you put it) being a reason that someone is in the Hospital. If you even bring up the Kid that ate a Chocolate that doesn't count.

There are literally Tens of Thousands of any other substance causing People to go to the Hospital, I would focus on those instead of something YOU think will ADD to the actual harmful Drugs. Your almost trolling at this point but I think you actually believe what your writing.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye

All that to say: socialized healthcare is unsustainable in a free society.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist
I learned the hard way about all that too. Some kids I knew were walking home from a keg party one night instead of driving drunk, and got nailed by a pickup truck driven by a drunk driver. Killed them all. I have never drove drunk in my life now, other than a pedal bike and rollerblades, but stupidly in my youth I did ride shotgun a few times for a bit, ended up telling the driver to pull over and let me out, I will walk hours home.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
i dont have a working printer here but when i go to mates house in the next couple of days i will use his and upload them.. pm me with an email addy and i will send copies to you if you like

I think you mean scanner...but if you're being genuine with your offer then just let me know through PM when you get access to the machine and get a digital copy of the paperwork. I'm honestly interested in the 5 star assessment method. Did you get immediate results from the container you pee'd in (either on the side of the cup or through a pregnancy-test like strip inserted into the sample) or did you have to wait for lab testing? I ask this because as another poster indicated the tests are generally rated in nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) and most tests are just a "YES/NO" result, with a medium calibrated to respond to varying ng/ml readings (50ng/ml is typically standard for pre-employment in the US, but other thresholds are used for different purposes, 10ng/ml is the most sensitive I've came across). If the sample was sent to a lab then the process is slightly more complicated, with things like salinity and pH being taken into account to determine if the sample has been adulterated.




posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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There is not one documented proof of Weed (as you put it) being a reason that someone is in the Hospital.

I am one that take up attention in the health care because of self inflicted illnesses from various substances together with thousands of others, health care doesn't just cover hospitals, it covers everything of various illnesses inlc psychiatric centers, doctors, drug and alcohol abuse centers, handicapped centers and many other .

You don't die from smoking weed but you do get other illnesses that is covered by health care, it could be avoided and money and time spent elsewhere where needed.



There are literally Tens of Thousands of any other substance causing People to go to the Hospital, I would focus on those instead of something YOU think will ADD to the actual harmful Drugs.


I don't think it, i know it
You are very small in your thinking.
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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

No it's not, with a society of people who can actually see that they are harming a system instead of being selfish cause "they wanna be free", it actually works very well.

But people wanna be high, drunk, speeded or dozed, and you call it freedom, i call it selfish and stupid, and yes i'm not innocent i am both, but have learned, other don't learn #.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye
All I hear there is blahblahblah. I live in a social healthcare hell now as well. I have a cousin who died when he was 3 years old, while waiting to see an oncologist. My mom had surgery up here one summer for appendicitis, simple surgery, they screwed it up bad. They did lazer surgery and didn't remove it all, mom almost died of an infection, lucky for her she refused to leave when they discharged her or she would have died. Instead she had a huge chunk of intestine and stomach removed a few hours later, and cannot even drink water now without getting nasty heartburn. Paid over 15 grand for the bill since she was not a citizen at the time of the botched surgery, and because of the botched surgery, the government has been dragging their feet for the past 8 years to give her residency. And people wonder why rich people from canada go to the US for treatment and surgery.

We should ban all sweets, TV, video games, sweet drinks, alcohol, and cars in our socialized medicine countries. They are the biggest causes of ill health, wonder how many people will still want to live here after that is enacted? Not enough to support our socialized medicine for sure, I am sure a boatload of doctors and specialists will leave as well. Food for thought about micromanaging people's lives.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: ChaosComplex
I quit pot cold turkey, I had a little boredom problem at first. Whoopidy doo, and that was after smoking every single day, once a day from 12-16, multiple times a day from 16-22(I think I was 22 when I quit, I didn't bother counting like an addict lol).

I also quit a SSNRI called effexor XR cold turkey. Oh boy, that was an experience to remember. I mighta ended up killing myself if I didn't know what to expect from it. I did a lot of research before quitting it, and it seemed to me, that people that weened off had the same exact problem, except over a years time, and if you quit cold turkey, you would have the problems a month or two. I am not on disability, so I just quit during the naturally slow period of work all at once. It was insane, I felt like I was insane a lot of the time quitting. Hallucinations, not sleeping for days on end, brain shivers. Was crazy. I was lucky to find an online support group and had people I could message or call whenever to talk me down from the craziest times lol.

Yeah the weening does seem to just prolong the withdrawal, but the symptoms are (usually) milder than a cold turkey endeavor. Once you start to mess with the balance of brain chemicals like serotonin there are a multitude of things that can (and will) happen once you allow them to self-regulate again. Most people won't bother with the research and they end up having some horrific experiences.

I think this thread has been a good example of people being poorly educated about what cannabis and it's various compounds actually do on a chemical level, and in turn leading to a misinformed opinion.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: ChaosComplex

scanner yes...i peed in a cup,which they then put a strip in to test temperature and whether or not i added anything to it or to see that i had not drunk too much water before the test....it then( after a mammoth of paperwork) gets sent off to a lab the test results generally come back after a couple days...i have been tested around 15 times now ....and like i said i am happy to provide copies to you if you think that will help..my last test came up 1 star i had a few puffs on a joint 5 days before...i was amazed anything showed up at all...considering i have been off it for just over a year now



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye

Cannabis seed, or hemp seed is a great food product.

The plant is not a poison!



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye
What??

Your reply Honestly doesn't make any sense, no disrespect.

I think I understand that combining the effects of all of these casuses a overburdened health care system. I can agree with that. But, I disagree that adding legal Cannabis will actually increase that burden. It will decrease that burden. I cant prove that yet but in due time.

I can though bring up some examples that I believe will back up my theory:

1. Legalizing MJ will reduce the dependancy on other Drugs which in affect will reduce the overburden on our Health Care system.

2. Legalizing MJ will reduce the actual Hospital visits in the first place because it can be obtained by anybody for Free thus reducing the cost to tax payers footing the bill for other Prescribed Drugs

3. Legalizing MJ will reduce the cost of building Hospitals and make them stronger (supported by others in this thread regarding the strength of the plants fibers) thus reducing the cost of Insurance Companies which in effect might reduce our rates on other policies.

These are just a few that came to my head while responding. I am sure I can think of more.

I appreciate your honesty.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

No it's not, with a society of people who can actually see that they are harming a system instead of being selfish cause "they wanna be free", it actually works very well.

But people wanna be high, drunk, speeded or dozed, and you call it freedom, i call it selfish and stupid, and yes i'm not innocent i am both, but have learned, other don't learn #.

We're not talking about the ill effects of-
Alcohol (which leads to requiring medical assistance)
'Speed' (which leads to requiring medical assistance)
Whatever the hell 'dozed' is, I'm assuming you mean things that knock you out like pain pills and such (which lead to requiring medical assistance)

We're talking about cannabis in particular, which is slowly becoming something that will provide that very medical assistance that the other drugs/chemicals lead their users to require.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Mianeye
All I hear there is blahblahblah. I live in a social healthcare hell now as well. I have a cousin who died when he was 3 years old, while waiting to see an oncologist. My mom had surgery up here one summer for appendicitis, simple surgery, they screwed it up bad. They did lazer surgery and didn't remove it all, mom almost died of an infection, lucky for her she refused to leave when they discharged her or she would have died. Instead she had a huge chunk of intestine and stomach removed a few hours later, and cannot even drink water now without getting nasty heartburn. Paid over 15 grand for the bill since she was not a citizen at the time of the botched surgery, and because of the botched surgery, the government has been dragging their feet for the past 8 years to give her residency. And people wonder why rich people from canada go to the US for treatment and surgery.

We should ban all sweets, TV, video games, sweet drinks, alcohol, and cars in our socialized medicine countries. They are the biggest causes of ill health, wonder how many people will still want to live here after that is enacted? Not enough to support our socialized medicine for sure, I am sure a boatload of doctors and specialists will leave as well. Food for thought about micromanaging people's lives.

Uhm you called mine blabla...Very ironic.

The problem is you can't control excessive use, all of the things you mention is NOT dangerous in normal amounts, and that goes for weed to, but as always there are people who can't control it, then those people would live with others controlling it or at least give some healthy advice if it can't be controlled, and the things that are under control should stay under control, not added to the list.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: ChaosComplex
I did my research, but I kinda scoffed at it at first. I was on a different ssri for a bit, and quit cold turkey and nothing happened. I figured it would be the same for effexor XR, but I was wrong. My doctor was a moron for prescribing it to me, I actually went to him for a tranquilizer to help with my damn insomnia and panic attacks, he decided that my brain not shuttin up meant I needed an ssnri. Us natives cannot handle tranquilizers without becoming addicts apparently, guy is a racist jerk. Last 12 dose bottle of lorazepam I got from him was in 2012, 20 doses, still got 4 pills left. Yeah, I must be a pill head lol.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Mianeye
So you want what? A nanny for everyone hired by the government to make sure we are not excessively using anything?



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Mianeye

Cannabis seed, or hemp seed is a great food product.

The plant is not a poison!


I know and i should not have called it "poison", the THC that alters your mind though is the unhealthy part.

This is my last post as it's bed time.

Goodnight and everyone have a good one



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

Except fast food and Monsanto food products. It is okay to consume as much of those poisons as we want because it is good for the economy.



I hope some of you can sense my sarcasm.



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