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I mean, come on, there are billions and billons of stars out there and to think we are the only intelligent species is laughable!
I know there are a lot of Greer haters out there but while I don't agree with a lot of what he says I think he is closer to the truth about the UFO subject than most.
The Pharaoh Khufu ruled ancient Egypt around 2550 BC and was buried in the largest of the Giza pyramids when he died. During his time, Thuban was the pole star, (because of Earth's precession) around which all other stars revolved. Khufu's burial chamber was fashioned deep inside the Great Pyramid. Two skinny shafts bore outward from the chamber....
Because Thuban was the pole star 5000 years ago the ancient Egyptians keenly observed it. Some of Draco's stars were part of their constellation of Hippopotamus and some were of the Crocodile. They appear on the planisphere of Denderah and the walls of the Ramesseum at Thebes. The hieroglyph for the Hippopotamus was used for the heavens in general while the constellation is supposed to have been a symbol of Isis Rathor, Athor, or Athyr, the Egyptian Venus. Draco's stars were also said to represent the falcon headed god Horus.
Polaris has not always been the North Star, and it will not always be the North Star in the future. Because of a slight wobble in Earth's rotation called precession, its axis traces a counter-clockwise circular path through the stars that takes 28,000 years to complete, and gradually moves from one North Star to the other. As the image below shows, around the time of the pyramids, the North Star was Thuban, in the constellation Draco. In the year 4500 the star Alrai in Cepheus will point the way north. And if there are still Humans on Earth in the year 14000, they will call the bright star Vega, in Lyra the North Star.
originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: captainmjp
I mean, come on, there are billions and billons of stars out there and to think we are the only intelligent species is laughable!
But try to think about it a bit more rationally. How would you identify whether a planet has intellegent life, by the radio signals it is emitting?
Now we earthlings have been emitting radio for a bit over a hundred years. This means the only alien species noticing us, must not be farther away than some 100 lightyears, which is a tiny distance if you look at the scale of the universe or even our galaxy.
Also seen from multiple hundred lightyears away, the earth might not look that special. According to estimations based on Kepler data, there might be over 500 million planets in habitable zones in our galaxy alone. How many of them will probably contain intelligent life, a few hundreds? And despite of SETI listening for over 50 years, we haven't observed a single intelligent signal yet.
originally posted by: captainmjp
Yes, you are right - we will never, ever, ever, discover communications from an intelligent race by listening to any wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum nor can we expect to be discovered by anything from our emissions of such wavelengths. To think that a race that has developed to the point of being able to travel between stars or possibly anywhere in the universe would use such rudimental technology to communicate is laughable. I mean, it would take years just to send a simple message between two stars in close proximity. Any scientist with half a brain knows this yet they continue to waste untold amounts of money on SETI listening for a signal. For me, this is just proof that SETI, the ISS, and any other NASA project is just a publicity stunt to distract the public from what is really going on.
originally posted by: [post=18326261]Harte
And to me, this is proof that you are unaware of how the universe works.
First, magical instantaneous communication doesn't simply appear out of nothingness into existence. Advancement in technology implies a previous technology.
Second, any signal we receive from any alien civilization in EM would be an extremely old communication. Light is fast, but it's not instantaneous.
It's not illogical at all that,say 20,000 years ago, an alien civilization that in the present uses your magic communication technology would have been using the "old-fashioned" electromagnetic-based communications and/or other EM-wave-based tech like radar.
Harte