Good manners can now get you suspended

a reply to: Annee

This isn't just about one students rights.

Far too many are focusing on the details here and missing the big picture.

Banning “Godly speaking” goes WAY beyond that teacher’s authority.

What that teacher probably doesn't yet realize is that by exposing the stealth agenda, she has just shot herself in the foot.

I think she chose the wrong kid to mess with and she is most likely going to end up regretting it.

Today's 'educational' system is being used to dumb down kids into unthinking conformists and zombies who won't ask any questions.

And BTW this is very relevant to those just like yourself who may believe that 'God is dead' just because they were taught that in school.

"...the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on government/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy."

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism.

A 100 yr. Silent War on Education

Never mind that this country's education system is already tailor-made to spread misinformation, entrench mythologies, and promote American exceptionalism to our young children. American history, as taught in schools, is generally nonsense meant to instill and preserve a sense of City-on-a-Hill nationalism, along with healthy doses of tall-tale founding myths, gung-ho militarism, and ethnic cleansing justification in the form of righteous Manifest Destiny. As James W. Loewen explains in his 1995 book Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong, textbooks used to teach our children "leave out anything that might reflect badly upon our national character."

Who's Really Brainwashing Our Children

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” ~ Joseph Stalin

"I begin with the young." ~ Adolf Hitler

"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future." ~ Adolf Hitler

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Ok so I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I agree that the term "bless you" shouldn't be banned from being said in a classroom for politeness reasons, but this article CLEARLY says that she did it to create controversy.

This is literally the first paragraph in the article:

A young girl, who claims she was standing up for her religious beliefs in the classroom, was suspended after breaking a class rule of saying “bless you” after a classmate sneezed.

The phrase was banned. My office is one that is a PC workplace and yet "Bless You" goes around the entire place when someone sneezes. It's a reflex and polite, not religious.

The teacher is clearly a troll.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: eeyipes

It seems to me that a person that gets so offended by a bless you, has a lot of deep seated hatred ingrained in them.

I don't think anyone was offended in this story. This looks like there was a rule in the classroom not to say the expression, "bless you" for religious reasons. The girl decided to challenge that rule in the middle of class instead of, say, talking to the teacher in private about it or going to the principal about it. She got suspended and now is crying foul. Again, this is a teenager we are talking about here. Their entire time spent as teenagers is spent challenging authority. I know I'm not so far removed from being a teenager that I probably would have done something similar if in a similar situation (I did a few things during high school to confront and challenge bad teachers' bad policies).

So, if I say Bless You after someone sneezes, how do you determine whether or not I said it for religious reasons or just because I was raised to be polite that way?

Do you determine it based on whether or not I'm wearing a cross around my neck? If so, isn't that discriminatory?

originally posted by: Wildbob77
I think that the teacher is an idiot

Person sneezes, someone else says bless you..... Big deal

If I'd been the class it would have gone down like this. Person sneezes... Bob jumps up and screams Ebola virus. Bob runs out of the room screaming.

Clearly, this teacher needs to pick her battles. For one thing, having a list of specific banned words and phrases is just asinine for any teacher. You want kids to know you don't like disrespectful language? That's the phrase you use. You don't actually list the words.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aural

During the meeting, the suspending teacher told at the time of the incident, Kendra had shouted the phrase from the other side of the classroom and then continued to defend her use of the phrase when the teacher called her out for breaking the rules.

Source

Of course, a teacher who is getting called into the limelight for something like this wouldn't have any motivation to exaggerate any details any more that the student could, especially not a teacher who has shown the bad judgment to try banning specific words.

I don't say bless you when people sneeze it's stupid.... They should say excuse me.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Annee

Wow so it's even worse for the girl than originally reported. I already considered the girl's story suspect, but apparently I didn't go far enough. Nice find.

Of course, the atheist is automatically more credible.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

I think she chose the wrong kid to mess with and she is most likely going to end up regretting it.

Got it!

Kids rule the school with no respect for authority.

Good luck with that.

Usually I just say "excuse you" when someone sneezes, or "excuse me" when I sneeze. I've had no issues with it, and people go on their day like it was nothing. Than again, I also live in an area in Canada where a lot of people use this as well, and there's a lot of folks here that are Non-religious in this particular area that I live.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Annee

Wow so it's even worse for the girl than originally reported. I already considered the girl's story suspect, but apparently I didn't go far enough. Nice find.

Of course, the atheist is automatically more credible.

Where did I say more credible?

Where did he say more credible ?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
It's not easy to turn off so many years worth of benign tradition, is it? How on earth can we possibly expect our kids to not follow the example we set for them without even realizing were are doing it?

She was shouting it across the room to make a point. This isn't the case of her saying it once and realizing she broke the rule. She willfully broke the rule to make a point.

You are so funny.

I have seen your postings many times now and have come to the conclusion that you adore conflict and have lots of fun putting out ideas that are so absurd, people think you actually believe them.

Of course she willfully broke the rule to make a point.

The rule violated "freedom OF religion", and "freedom OF speech", especially such a harmless phrase as bless you.
There is absolutely nothing in the constitution or bill of rights about "freedom FROM religion" which the teacher was advocating
Separation of church and state, constitutionally was to prevent the citizen (ie schools) from the state telling citizens what they can and can not do religiously.

The teacher should be disciplined for banning the phrase in the first place.

Citizens have a duty to challenge unlawful orders (rules) placed on them by the state (schools)

As a Heretic, I'd think you'd be proud of a teenager with the courage to challenge an unlawful demand made by the teacher.

This will the very last time I ever respond to you because I see a clear trolling pattern in the vast majority of your comments, just stirring the pot with statements you know are absurd, just to get reactions.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
Well, we could just say nothing and ignore it - but it's ingrained in most of us as tradition. It seems impolite not to say it and I'm not a religious person. Can't we just have a few traditions left over from the old days?

I'm with you on that, I'm not religious but it's just a little thing that has been a part of my life. Even in public, random people sneeze and I find myself saying "Bless you" a good amount of the time. If I sneeze and someone says it to me it's not like I get creeped out or feel threatened or uncomfortable...

I'm all for religion staying out of schools, but this...this is just ridiculous. Seriously.

I seem to recall this coming from some Native American belief that your soul was trying to escape your body when you sneezed...I could be completely delusional though, wouldn't be the first time my memory was faulty

Either way, I really don't see ANY way that someone saying "Bless you" to someone who sneezed would be negative/harmful in any way at all.

originally posted by: Aural
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

THen my original statement stands

On a side note: I find it interesting how many religious phrases work their way into language even for the non religious. Even goodbye is religious it evolved from god be with ye.

Oh, then we MUST ban the word goodbye from schools and ALL public institutions since it evolved from a religious phrase, "god be with ye" (that is sooooo offensive).

Should we get Benevolent Heretic to start the petition.

Yes, yes, the origin was religious.

Should be banned from the workplace too.

Anyone informed the PC police yet? Better get on it right away!

I have a 14 year old granddaughter, with a mouth, who did pretty much the same thing.

The teacher told her to be quiet, to stop talking. She mouthed off something back to him.

He gave her a warning that she was being disruptive. She stood up, told him what she thought, then marched herself to the principles office.

Her persecuted embellished version was quite interesting ------ until ------ we persisted for the factual truth.

Yep! We made her personally apologize to the teacher.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: eeyipes

No one is debating that the rule is a bad rule, but the actions of the teenager speak for themselves. She did it deliberately to disrupt class time. I already said that there were more mature ways to go about challenging that rule that wouldn't have seen the girl suspended or disrupt class time.

Ah, the child is a rebel after my own heart.

Us oldsters remember the 1960's when it was practically mandatory for every teenager in America to openly challenge authority.

Even the majority of Obama's mentors engaged in disruptive behavior to make a point, even bombed some buildings disruptive (although that is taking it too far I admit)

Nonetheless, we have a great American tradition of challenging rules that are oppressive and illegal, as the teachers rules were.

Banning innocuous words the teacher deemed offensive, is as immoral as book burning

The child had every right to challenge her, but also needed to take her punishment proudly like a badge of honor, and publicize it, like she has done.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Us oldsters remember the 1960's when it was practically mandatory for every teenager in America to openly challenge authority.

Uh huh, and where are those challenging rebels today?

If they weren't druggie losers, most became yuppies of the establishment.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Annee

Wow so it's even worse for the girl than originally reported. I already considered the girl's story suspect, but apparently I didn't go far enough. Nice find.

Of course, the atheist is automatically more credible.

You should really read all my posts. I made myself rather clear that I agreed that it was a bad rule, but you are deceiving yourself if you think this was anything but a teenager acting out just because she could. Don't you have children?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Us oldsters remember the 1960's when it was practically mandatory for every teenager in America to openly challenge authority.

Uh huh, and where are those challenging rebels today?

If they weren't druggie losers, most became yuppies of the establishment.

They grew up to be the Clintons, the liberals who now push for freedom from non-PC speech and punishment for non-PC speech, they are traitors to their younger selves.

They will be the very ones screaming to ban the word "goodbye" now that a poster revealed the awful truth behind the words origin of "god be with ye", eeeeeekkkkkkk, will make their skin crawl to think they've been saying it all their lives

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw
Us oldsters remember the 1960's when it was practically mandatory for every teenager in America to openly challenge authority.

Uh huh, and where are those challenging rebels today?

If they weren't druggie losers, most became yuppies of the establishment.

They grew up to be the Clintons, the liberals who now push for freedom from non-PC speech and punishment for non-PC speech, they are traitors to their younger selves.

I disagree.

Many who "dropped" out as young adolescents ---- dropped back in, went to college, and became the establishment.

It was a fun time for a very short period ----- however, most people have the desire to make something of themselves ---- and these temporary diversions are just that.

People grow up. Peter Pan is a storybook.

a reply to: Annee


Standing up for one's beliefs and rights are a hallmark of the founding of the US.

The "establishment" former hippies, really are traitors to the US now and to the things they stood for when they protested and marched.

If you would have told them then that people in the US would lose their jobs over things people accused them of thinking (not doing, just what they were accused of thinking), they would have said it couldn't happen.

Yet it is those very same traitors who insist that people who speak in non-PC ways should be punished, and some go so far as to say killed. One prominent Democrat called for the killing of all climate change deniers, for a thought, for an idea, not for an action. These people are traitors to everything this country was founded on.

The true Americans are the ones who have the guts to stand up and say, no more
no more twisting of words
no more punishing people for what you think they think because you don't like the words they used
just plain, no more.