Refusing to Watch Foley Video Avoids Exactly What?

a reply to: SLAYER69

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound.

If a man is beheaded in the middle east and nobody sees the video...

a reply to: beansidhe

There's too many who have more than a stomach for it, I think they enjoy looking at gore..

When those ISIS videos come out I stupidly followed a link to a website hosting the video, right on the banner was...well I won't describe it, but people actually will sit down, load up Photoshop and add their websites name to photos to use as banners and headers.

There's a fine line between showing such things to make people understand and glorifying it.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

I once made a senior manager at work squirm after he insisted on doing the same thing, showing the latest war porn snuff footage on his company issued smartphone. I simply informed him I was not amused, was deeply offended that he assumed I'd appreciate snuff movies and that I would be going straight to HR and lodging a formal complaint about misuse of company property. Needless to say, he was sweating it a bit, and I let him think I had followed it up.

The only reason I can see for such things is propaganda purposes, used by both sides (although I strongly suspect they are one and the same), to show us all what Monsters they are, and for our government to whip up support to "do something".

a reply to: SLAYER69

IMO videos such as these scar people. I've personally seen a video over ten years ago and it still has an effect on me now. Makes human life look cheap

a reply to: Britguy

It's disgusting. Using ever more violent and disturbing means to take away freedom.
There are some sick puppies in Langley and London.

a reply to: SLAYER69

There shouldn't even be a discussion over this. People are screaming Deny Ignorance and trying to achieve self enlightenment yet they choose to close their eyes because it doesn't fit their personal way of thinking?

I'm not saying we have to get bombarded with gore, but this nasty side of humanity exists. People need to see this in order to learn. Most people choose not to look at gruesome footage, not because of the "kids" but because it might ruin there day and give them bad dreams.

They might not enjoy their movie afterwards, they might lose their appetite.

Well Cry me a river i'd say.

People need to see that a large part of our civilization sees more pain in a day then we do in our lifetime.

a reply to: MessageforAll

I don't need to see someone being murdered in cold blood, to already know there's worldwide suffering on a daily basis.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: Expat888

It seems you and I share a firm understanding on the topic.

But what of those who are ignorant?

How will they come to understand the depths human nature can reach without actually seeing the horrors?

i wouldn't call it ignorance...we in the western world the majority of us are lucky enough not be exposed to it (albeit in movies and so forth)..

it is all too real ....and i like my bubble and would like my children to grow up in the same bubble...i am far too drunk and sleepy to go any further on the subject tonight i will leave you with this

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: Expat888

It seems you and I share a firm understanding on the topic.

But what of those who are ignorant?

How will they come to understand the depths human nature can reach without actually seeing the horrors?

i wouldn't call it ignorance...we in the western world the majority of us are lucky enough not be exposed to it (albeit in movies and so forth)..

it is all too real ....and i like my bubble and would like my children to grow up in the same bubble...i am far too drunk and sleepy to go any further on the subject tonight i will leave you with this

What? Even if its the booz talking, what on earth are you doing on a forum like this? You think you are helping your children by putting them in this bubble of yours?

Again, not saying you need to drop gore on them, but you shouldn't make them turn a blind eye.

And "(albeit in movies and so forth)." see that's the problem right there.

a reply to: SLAYER69

These types of videos touch a part of me that I cannot explain and not for good reasons either obviously. It is beyond that normal feeling of sadness or helplessness when you are watching someone's life being taken away in those barbaric circumstances. I don't know whether I go into a temporary state of shock or what but I know that I am out of my comfort zone. Maybe that's the wrong way to explain it but even now I cannot find a logical way to put it and I haven't even watched the latest one.

Watching the video is what the MEN should do if there are any left that do not carry their cojones in frilly panties.

Women and children SHOULD NOT watch it,the video is a warm-up and a wake up call for MEN.

The terror aspect only works if we allow it to,we CAN turn it around into a red flag like it should be for the MEN in our Society who will need to respond to this.

For all you people out there who have a knot in your throats because you want me to say MEN and WOMEN who have to respond to this.....i say you are victims of the 60s attacks,the reason women in our culture now fight and die in wars and have work related injuries instead of babies and male children who can fight to defend their society is directly related to those 60s attacks.

They knew they were coming long ago and were paving the way by crippeling our birthrates and disorientating our society.

If you can watch your women and children working like slaves for nearly nothing and see them enslaved while you just exist and abbrogate your manhood willingly then you can handle a beheadding.

In case none of you are paying attention the same pressures countrys and cultures are falling into revolutions over were intentionally inflicted upon much stronger and developed countries in the 60s.

Do a Culture by culture websearch of male birthrates globally and NOTE which Cultures now have massive epic impactfull imblances leaning towards the fighting man sex.

Some cultures have been so ravaged it is pitifull.

Some developed countries have subversively been slowly made quasi-infertile.

a reply to: DarknStormy

I hear ya.

I think there are many out there who share your feelings on the matter. I know I do.

Indescribable

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
we in the western world the majority of us are lucky enough not be exposed to it (albeit in movies and so forth)..

Nobody in the western world is exposed to gore or death via movies; I've watched enough of both to know.

Even the best movies, the most well presented, convincing "found footage" films are laughably fake when you've seen any of the plethora of execution videos that are released by terrorist and cartel organizations.
Knowing you're watching a movie immediately removes any sense of real consequence to anything presented by the footage that follows, but then there's the subtle things that movies can never quite get right.

The way the victim takes their final breath, the way a body slumps, the way a wound bleeds, how the attacker's stance changes as he bears the weight of the blow.
There are so many things that we won't even consciously pick up on upon viewing that movies cannot make up for simply because they are staged, even the best actors in the world will never get death just right.

Real gore, real horror is such an awful thing that it does not compare to any movie; I've watched enough of both to know.

a reply to: SLAYER69


I think the truth is that such a video be mainly used as "death porn" as previously stated. Everyone is so desensitized these days that I don´t know if this sort of thing will do any good. The fact that people are probably uploading this video for the simple reason that they want view counts or whatever is to me really disgusting. And I feel I would sort of lower myself to the level of the basest and most disturbed of internet dwellers in seeking this out.

I know I could stomach it, but I feel as though it would be wrong for me to watch his final painful moments in life. I certainly can understand how forcing myself to bear witness to his death in some way might honor his memory. But so, in my mind, does refusing to watch an atrocious act of barbarism and the worst of all crimes.

a reply to: honeybadger

Should the right of those who decide for themselves that they need to see to understand such actions of viewing such barbarous events be removed by banning them from the web?


If so, on what grounds?

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: SLAYER69

I think an adult should see it. Makes you one bit closer to feeling it...and maybe it will make you think about all the atrocities we humans do.

Without actually seeing it...you can more easily brush it aside or ignore it...just like we do to all atrocities done all over the world.

There is an old saying...away from sight, away from heart.

Why do I need to see it? I am not the one who chose what this other adult chose, why must I be made to see his horrific death to know it's horrific?

a reply to: honeybadger

Those people who watch these types of videos for their own sick entertainment need a good whack over the head.. When I have watched them it is usually when I'm researching and wanting to get a better understanding of what is happening first hand. I don't see the funny side to any of it and I hope no-one ever does when I'm around either.

a reply to: DarknStormy

For me that all depends on the context.

If it's about innocent people *Especially Children* being hurt/killed by no fault of their own I get very upset however, if it's a "Here, hold my beer" type moment and they end up screwing themselves up or worse by actions of their own stupidity.

I chalk that up to a Darwin learning curve moment for the rest of us.

Pretend that evil really doesn't exist. It should shock and make people feel bad in order to get rid of the apathy and make us all work toward a better human race. But, given human nature, that probably isn't possible, lets just go back to the every thing is alright thinking and hope the bad does not touch our life.

What about the future for your children?

a reply to: SLAYER69

Absolutely not. I think it is important to know exactly what these sick individuals are capable of in order to be able to combat them. I´ve no words for this sort of evil, it´s so alien to me. And I trust most adults are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves what they can or cannot watch. If the murderer(s) are apprehended and made to suffer, then something resembling justice might be done.

But I didn´t know who he even was until I started reading about his death, and so for me the decision is clear. I don´t think this sort of thing should be banned, but I can see it doing quite a bit of harm to young minds. And from that, nothing good can come.