If You Knew, Would You...?

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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 01:32 PM
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If you knew - for a fact - that a stealth bioweapon was released in the USA in the early 1900's, and causes a disease that

- incubates in the body silently for years, quietly destroying tissue and dismantling the immune system;
- then causes debilitating stomache problems, headaches and other pain;
- finally causes death from heart attacks, cancer or stroke; and
- nearly everyone in the country is now infected

...would you care?

IF you knew - for a fact - that the disease was now spreading in contaminated food and water, but it could be filtered out and removed with new technology

...would you want that technology to be used, no matter how much profit industry might lose?




A disease now called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) first appeared in the USA in the early 1900s. It incubates in the body for decades before striking, causes progressive degeneration and disability before death, and is now epidemic.

...FMD causes mutations in cells and tissues. These mutations generally take decades to spread through the body, via the blood and lymph vessels. Eventually, FMD leads to heart attack, cancer or stroke now leading causes of death in the USA and the world. ...the Journal of Cardiovascular Surgery reported in 1993 that death in patients diagnosed with FMD came very slowly, and was caused by:
- heart attacks (44.4%);
- cancer (33.3%); and
- stroke (22.2%).

According to the last publicly available report, FMD in adults in the USA is reported officially at an incidence rate of 1.7% with 65% of reported cases diagnosed in autopsy.
www.emedicine.com...

So every single day of 2003, almost 7,000 American adults were diagnosed in autopsy with FMD, on average nearly 2.3 million deaths out of a total of 3.5 million new FMD cases reported that year.

More at www.atsnn.com...


The disease exists and so does the technology that could help prevent it from spreading, but it is not being used....

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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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I guess I would worry if I were a woman (no offense to the women on the board)

Fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) is an arterial disease of unknown etiology typically affecting the medium and large arteries of young to middle-aged women.

www.emedicine.com...

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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by NetStorm
I guess I would worry if I were a woman (no offense to the women on the board)

Fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) is an arterial disease of unknown etiology typically affecting the medium and large arteries of young to middle-aged women.

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...Not exactly true, Netstorm - the trick is how this disease is defined and categorised in its different stages - it's known for being "eponoymous" (having different names).

...In fact, FMD underlies prostate cancer in men, as well as colon cancer, another big problem for men. ...these 'effects' occur after the cell changes have moved from connective tissue stem cells into vascular smooth muscle cells, and then on to the smooth muscle cells of the gut and sex organs...

The disease process also underlies impotence - the mainstay for Viagra profits.



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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 02:06 PM
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I will not argue with you anymore over this. I found the same article as you did. and the article refers to women.



posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 02:56 PM
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Netstorm - FYI - I have about 8 gigs of medical abstracts on this disease. ...We're talking much, much more than one article - and a great deal of conflicting medical information. Much about this disease is controversial, and much more is covered up. ...I find it interesting that you seek to close discussion based on one article.

...Historically, FMD was thought to affect more women than men, primarily because only lesions in the carotid and kidney arteries were recognised. Other information suggests that the disease simply takes a different course in men - although men certainly suffer heart attacks and cancer at least as often as do women. ...Generally, FMD causes an actin protein to mis-fold affecting the stem cells for connective tissue, then it moves on to smooth muscle cells and other related tissues. Partly because of the different hormones involved, FMD affects men differently than women - but it does affect them, and equally fatally.

...But, even if it only affected women, do you not think it would be just as important?

Re: the prostate

The prostate is covered by a thin vascularised fibrous sheath which surrounds a fibromuscular layer continuous with the smooth muscle surrounding the bladder.
www.ana.ed.ac.uk...

BENIGN PROSTATE DISORDERS
www.endotext.org...
www.merck.com...

Prostate Carcinoma
Prostate cancer is an important, growing health problem, presenting a challenge to urologists, radiologists, and oncologists. Prostate cancer is the most common nondermatologic cancer, yet despite this frequent occurrence, the clinical course is often unpredictable. Many men are found to have had incidental microscopic foci of prostate cancer at postmortem examination, and most prostate cancers are slow growing and do not manifest during the man's lifetime. Thus, many men die with prostate cancer rather than die from prostate cancer; however, some cancers are aggressive, with a rapidly worsening course.
...Tumor spread outside the prostate may occur by means of capsular penetration, invasion of the seminal vesicles, or local extension along the neurovascular bundles. The usual sites for metastases from prostate cancer are the lymph nodes, bones, and lungs.
www.emedicine.com...

Also see:
Br J Pharmacol. 1999 May;127(1):220-6. Mitogenic activation of human prostate-derived fibromuscular stromal cells by bradykinin. Walden PD, Lefkowitz GK, Ittmann M, Lepor H, Monaco ME. Department of Urology, NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA. PMID: 10369476


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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by NetStorm
I guess I would worry if I were a woman



Aside from the fact that this disease affects both sexes, causing heart attacks, cancer and stroke - it kills about 7000 people every single day.

...but you're saying you don't think it's a real problem because you're a man and it only affects women?

...do have this right? ...I'm not missing some obscure subtlety here?


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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by NetStorm
I guess I would worry if I were a woman



Aside from the fact that this disease affects both sexes, causing heart attacks, cancer and stroke - it kills about 7000 people every single day.

...but you're saying you don't think it's a real problem because you're a man and it only affects women?

...do have this right? ...I'm not missing some obscure subtlety here?


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See you are trying to get me to argue with you and I will not. You left out the part of my quote where I said "no offense to women "
Let's leave it at that OK?
I never implied it was not a real problem, I simply stated a fact from the website you quoted nothing more nothing less.

And why are you jumping around with this? FMD is what it is

FMD is an inherited disorder involving the ongoing destruction of arterial blood vessels. There are areas of increased muscle and fibrous tissue in the wall of the affected arteries, which alternate with enlarged (dilated) areas where the tissue has been destroyed. This irregularity in the arteries increases the risk for stroke.

The disease may affect the neck arteries that supply blood to the brain (carotid) or the arteries within the brain (cerebral) and cause stroke. It may also affect the following arteries:

kidneys (renal)
intestinal tract (mesenteric)
heart (coronary)
groin (iliac)
The prostate has noting to do with arterial problems.



posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 03:13 PM
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A stealth disease released by whom? Who had the tech and the ability to do such a thing in the 1900's? Why release a bio-weapon that can eventually wipe out the attacker? Unless of course you mean that aliens did this, and then I think we're done here.

I just glanced over the article, we are to assume that the U.S. gov't poisoned it's own troops in an era when no U.S. citizen was openly hateful of its' gov't? Why?



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posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by NetStorm

See you are trying to get me to argue with you and I will not. You left out the part of my quote where I said "no offense to women "
Let's leave it at that OK?


Netstorm - I am not interested in arguing - just sharing what I know and investigating further, cooperatively if at all possible.


And why are you jumping around with this? ...FMD is an inherited disorder


This is corporate spin. For starters, "inherited" disorders don't go epidemic - only infectious diseases do. FMD can be transmitted congenitally and may cause genetic mutations, but most cases are sporadic. ...FYI - FMD's transmission profile is dead on for diseases caused by infectious prions.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.orpha.net...
(Another one recently "updated")

...Our corporate Masters don't want us to know that diseases like FMD, heart attack, cancer and stroke are infectious - because they'd be forced to spend money on clean-up, for one thing. And God forbid the public should learn the true extent of prion contamination in food processing plants, hospitals and water treatment facilities. ...There are other considerations too - for an overview showing how the FMD cover-up progressed over the past 4 years, and how it protects drug profits, see:
www.atsnn.com...


(FMD involves) the ongoing destruction of arterial blood vessels.


Yes it does - but note that the disease process is not restricted to "involving the ongoing destruction of arterial blood vessels." ...When it was named in 1938, FMD was known to affect cells in fibrous tissue (ie., connective tissue), muscle (smooth and skeletal), and fibromuscular tissue - hence the name "fibromuscular" dysplasia.
Leadbetter WF: Hypertension in unilateral renal disease. J Urol 1938, 39:611-626. (Sorry, no link)

...FMD starts as an angiopathy, meaning it's a disease of lymph and blood vessels, and then moves on from there. As Julian noted in 1980, "Angiopathy appears to be basic to the pathogenesis of FMD..." ...Point being - The lymph and blood vessels are pretty much intra-body delivery systems, the rest is a crap shoot...
ajp.amjpathol.org...


...The prostate has noting to do with arterial problems.


Blood vessels feed virtually every part of the body, which is one reason why FMD can show up in any part of the body and take so many different forms. ...The prostate gets hit from all sides - blood and lymph vessels, smooth muscle, and the fibromuscular stroma.

FYI - This is one of the best articles on FMD I've found. It bows to corporate and political pressure like they all do, but it's less flawed and more complete than others. ..."Fibromuscular dysplasia: When is intervention warranted?" 1 Thomas K. Currya, Louis M. Messina* Seminars in Vascular Surgery. September 2003 Volume 16 Number 3
www2.us.elsevierhealth.com...
action=searchDB&searchDBfor=art&artType=full&id=as0895796703000243

Of further interest: "Weird Life: Viruses and Prions"
www.biology.iupui.edu...


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posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Der Kapitan
Who had the tech and the ability to do such a thing in the 1900's?


Enough people that the 1926 Geneva Convention found it necessary to specifically disallow the development of biological weapons. ...It's not necessary to have a big lab - or know a whole hell of a lot - to wreak serious havoc. Nature usually does all the work. ...Most likely, the original FMD was mainly a blend of scrapie and common herpes - the 'inventors' didn't know (and didn't need to know) that scrapie is an infectious prion or that it was hitchhiking on an actin protein on the virus's shell. ...All the developers would have cared about was that the disease made infected victims progressively more stupid...


Why release a bio-weapon that can eventually wipe out the attacker?


Just because scientists can play God does not mean they can predict the full impact of their creations. ...Re: FMD - The evidence suggests they did not even consider the fact that it might mutate or get out of control, and just released a truly horrific disease into the world - it just 'happened' to get waayyy out of control and it's still mutating. BTW - the experience hasn't taught the latest generation of perp wannabes much of anything about scientific responsibility.


A stealth disease released by whom? ...we are to assume that the U.S. gov't poisoned it's own troops in an era when no U.S. citizen was openly hateful of its' gov't? Why?


Before the US revolution, the masters of the old-world controlled the world by owning monarchs' debt. They were 'bankers,' and used debt to manipulate policy and people. Democracy broke their strangle-hold - so they went after democracy at the root. By 1914, they managed to privatize the Federal Reserve and had control of most US government bureaucracies and agencies - which went a long way to re-establishing control - but it wasn't enough. They wanted to take over the whole democratic system - and regain everything they had lost. ...They wanted the feudal system back in all its glory.

Free thinking, educated citizens with voting rights were/are an incredible threat - and a target. ...Back in 1914, the opportunity was available - so they took it. ...WWI was starting, the old boys had pharmaceutical connections, vaccines were the latest thing and the soldiers just lined up... (To be fair and accurate, I can't prove it was purposeful - it may have been an accidental contamination that mutated all on its own - but the subsequent cover-ups and machinations are all definitely purposeful.)

...The mother conspiracy is ongoing, and involves nothing less than the full take over of democracy, starting in the USA. ...The feudal system has been re-established legally by restructuring the national government as a corporate entity (in 1989, under Bush Senior's watch). Voters are now legally just shareholders - and the rest is just tying up loose ends.

...Sick, distracted people are not going to get in the way.


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