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Cops kill guy who is Unstable 15 mins From Ferguson, Mo.**--Warning-- Actual Shooting on Video**

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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

But just choosing to murder the guy and then claim, "well, he had a knife", doesn't cut it.


Why am I not surprised that you referred to this as murder?


I've been in that situation before myself and I can tell you first hand, you can avoid a knife attack from someone who isn't completely dedicated to stabbing you with it. Unless they absolutely are determined to kill you with it, it can be as easy as just backing off allowing space, putting something else in between you and him like a vehicle, etc.


You must have overlooked how quickly this guy closed the distance between himself and the cop.




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
Whoever called the police over two sodas must be deviated.


Whoever pulled a knife on a cop must be deviated.



Especially 2 miles away from Ferguson.

Brilliant.

THUD.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Vortiki
Are you aware that viewing/distributing video footage of someone being killed is illegal in the united states? We don't need to watch someone get shot to death. Period.

Can you please link that law?


This sounds like suppression. This wasn't a snuff film for sexual gratification. This was a terrible event the public needs to be aware of.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: FreeQuebec86

originally posted by: Grimpachi
If I had been there none of this would have happened and here is why.


I would have paid for his damn sodas even after he left to keep the cops out of it.


He wanted to die... Look how he acted with the police...

He rob the store 2 time, i think it's because he was waiting the police after the first time. The store didnt call them, so he return to steal more to get kill...

He needed mental heal, not bullet... At worse taser and pepper spray.

It looks like suicide by cop doesn't it?


yeah, but this "suicide by cops" can just be attempt suicide by cops. The cops wasn't rush. They could back away.

But their training is surely ( Stand on your ground, if the guy is near shoot 10 bullet, then cuff him )

It's the police mentallity/training/tactic that need to chance in USA.

But as i just said. Gun are freely circulated in USA. So cops are scare to get shot, here in Canada, it's RARE when police get shot at. And when it happen, it's like trap... Like in Moncton.

But here in montreal police shoot easly... and More hobos then criminal. ( i think past 4 year, 1 hobos was kill per year)



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: ThichHeaded

Wow that is disturbing from both sides.

It was idiotic to bait the officers and it appears to me that it was over the top with the shooting assuming the guy didn't have a gun or knife.

Now from that video alone I can't say if they did it because they are racist or because abuse of power, or being scared for the situation to blow up or lack of training or even if that is protocol?


Eitherway People and Police interaction needs to be reviewed in this country. Horific all around. I can only imagine this will escalate things and make things worst for everyone but those who are wanting a race riot.
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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: mOjOm

But just choosing to murder the guy and then claim, "well, he had a knife", doesn't cut it.


Why am I not surprised that you referred to this as murder?


I've been in that situation before myself and I can tell you first hand, you can avoid a knife attack from someone who isn't completely dedicated to stabbing you with it. Unless they absolutely are determined to kill you with it, it can be as easy as just backing off allowing space, putting something else in between you and him like a vehicle, etc.


You must have overlooked how quickly this guy closed the distance between himself and the cop.


Quickly ? The cops could have just walk back and be ok xD. The guy never run at them. Walk to his death ( and that what he wanted. )



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: Locutis

Does the average officer then not have enough situation training?


I'd say that is a HUGE part of it. My Uncle is a Retired Sheriff who worked within Prisons his whole life. My Grandpa was a the Town Constable, back when you had a Mayberry Style Town Sheriff. Neither of which would probably agree that these two officers made the right choice. They made a valid choice, sure. But the best choice, no.

But like you're saying, choices are something you either have or don't have based upon your training. If LEO's aren't taught how to handle situations with anything other than deadly force, then that is what you're going to get.

I don't know what LEO's are being taught today, but never in my life have I seen so many LEO's constantly opting for Deadly Force as the first option. But maybe that's because they are taught that it's the only option.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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I have noticed a pro LEO stance that doesn't seem to care about the fact that an actual human being has lost their life.

I'm sad for you. Whether you have taken this stance because you simply want to agitate further discussion or whether you really believe LEO can do no wrong it comes across as inhumane.

If you do believe LEO can do no wrong then you should keep in mind that the people dying are in the community that is supposed to be the responsibility of the LEO to keep safe. Being entrusted with this responsibility means they need to be held to a higher standard.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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I hate to say this but this is more than likely a byproduct of the Michael Brown protesting. This incident occurred in North St. Louis City not far from the city/county border. This is a part of St Louis city that is predominately African American. The tension in the community and the police force has been extremely high for over a week. The human body can not take constant stress this long.

The poor man that was shot has been told over and over again that the cops kill blacks. That put in his mind a way to get out of his current circumstances that he found overbearing. The cops on the other hand are in a neighborhood where they feel they are not welcomed. Thus, this unfortunate incident occurred. It's time to remember that we are all human beings and that to keep the stress levels up will result in situations like this.

I just hope that the St Louis metro area can start to come down of this extremely high stress level. It just going to take more lives if it does not end. Is anyone really that married to the ideology that they would rather win their argument even if it caused more death and suffering?
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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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OP, why did you refer to this guy as unstable in your title? What do you know that the rest of us don't?



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: FreeQuebec86

originally posted by: samsamm9
In Iceland cops just shot their first victim, ever.

In the US, they just shoot, life is cheap.

The guy was obviously wrong to threaten the police with a knife, but they could've use another method ... Isn't he allowed to have a bad day/week/month without getting shot ?
WTF !!

Nobody should be afraid of cops, since they're suppose to protect and serve, but the truth is they are worst than criminals.

RIP poor dude.


Damn nice cops in iceland ! Good job ! Does guns are allowed easy in the street?

Because maybe the "gun free market" in USA make the cops more nervous. Here in Quebec, guns are rare. I never touch one, except weak rifle for hunting small bird.

I wish we have police London style, first hand police no-guns or guns in car in a special boxe. With Swat heavy train and good gun.

Salut toé !


But the victim didn't have a gun. Maybe a knife... Suicide by cop in this situation is ridiculous.
They should've chose another method.

Thank god we live in Canada.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75
OP, why did you refer to this guy as unstable in your title? What do you know that the rest of us don't?


Well I won't answer for the OP but the guy filming clearly thought he was crazy, and another guy was telling him this is not the way ,and then asking to be shot does not fit into my definition of a Stable person?



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75
Why am I not surprised that you referred to this as murder?

You must have overlooked how quickly this guy closed the distance between himself and the cop.


Ya, Ya, I know. I'm just a Commie, Pinko, Progressive, Lefty, Subhuman, Atheist, Humanist, etc. who loves to push some agenda, something something something........right......

Look, to me anytime A person kills another person who doesn't want to die, it's murder. Self Defence is still murder, but it's justified. The reason why we classify murder differently in legal terms.

Justifiable Homicide. Homicide. Involuntary manslaughter. etc.

Whatever. It's just a word. Sorry if I upset you with it. If you don't like it fine, let's call it a mercy killing then. Or how about a Justifiable Termination of Life Functions. Whatever you're comfy with. I'm not trying to skew anything by saying they murdered him.

Also, I don't think he was closing in on anyone all that fast. It looked to me like he was standing there, maybe walked forward a bit, but just standing there yelling at them and taunting them to come at him if they dare.

Cops don't like to be yelled at or challenged so they finished him. Yes, that is how I see it. That is my opinion. I'm sure you have yours and it may not be the same as mine. Fine. You're allowed to have a different opinion as well as I am.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: ThichHeaded

Holy #.
He was doing it as a protest because you can hear the big guy in the brown shirt say "this is not how you do it man" referring to a protest. He set the sodas down.


This one WAS a straight up unjustified murder. They will probably say suicide by cop.

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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: samsamm9

originally posted by: FreeQuebec86

originally posted by: samsamm9
In Iceland cops just shot their first victim, ever.

In the US, they just shoot, life is cheap.

The guy was obviously wrong to threaten the police with a knife, but they could've use another method ... Isn't he allowed to have a bad day/week/month without getting shot ?
WTF !!

Nobody should be afraid of cops, since they're suppose to protect and serve, but the truth is they are worst than criminals.

RIP poor dude.


Damn nice cops in iceland ! Good job ! Does guns are allowed easy in the street?

Because maybe the "gun free market" in USA make the cops more nervous. Here in Quebec, guns are rare. I never touch one, except weak rifle for hunting small bird.

I wish we have police London style, first hand police no-guns or guns in car in a special boxe. With Swat heavy train and good gun.

Salut toé !


But the victim didn't have a gun. Maybe a knife... Suicide by cop in this situation is ridiculous.
They should've chose another method.

Thank god we live in Canada.


yeah
Still here we have some bad cops, but not like this USA style

And yeah, suicide by cops, look weird when the guy just have a gun.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: samsamm9
In Iceland cops just shot their first victim, ever.

In the US, they just shoot, life is cheap.

The guy was obviously wrong to threaten the police with a knife, but they could've use another method ... Isn't he allowed to have a bad day/week/month without getting shot ?
WTF !!

Nobody should be afraid of cops, since they're suppose to protect and serve, but the truth is they are worst than criminals.

RIP poor dude.



I know several cop, I'm not afraid of any of them. But I'm not a criminal.


I do to, most cops I know are great. Then again, like I said I'm Canadian.
We're lucky to have more civilized cops than our trigger happy neighbors.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: Locutis

Does the average officer then not have enough situation training?


I'd say that is a HUGE part of it. My Uncle is a Retired Sheriff who worked within Prisons his whole life. My Grandpa was a the Town Constable, back when you had a Mayberry Style Town Sheriff. Neither of which would probably agree that these two officers made the right choice. They made a valid choice, sure. But the best choice, no.

But like you're saying, choices are something you either have or don't have based upon your training. If LEO's aren't taught how to handle situations with anything other than deadly force, then that is what you're going to get.

I don't know what LEO's are being taught today, but never in my life have I seen so many LEO's constantly opting for Deadly Force as the first option. But maybe that's because they are taught that it's the only option.


A voice of sanity in a world of lies! HOW REFRESHING!

It amazes me that the folks who have supported our current POTUS/Administration seem to be the ones who are the most ANTI police because of this incident in Ferguson!

But who creates the laws that requires the police to act in such an uncivilized manner towards the citizens that they are supposed to protect?

Wake up America! The supreme court has already stated that the police DO NOT have to protect! The have to UPHOLD THE LAW!!!!

Think about that the next time you go and vote for a Democrat OR Republican.........



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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1:30 "Drop the gun" Put headphones on and turn up the volume, it's very clear that he says "drop the gun."

Around the same time, look at his right hand..



Cut and dry, in my opinion.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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What bothers me beyond the shooting---and that bothers me a lot---is that the police make no attempt to get the names/contacts for witnesses at the scene. Rather, they are trying to run them off. Why?
I understand clearing the immediate scene but those folks weren't interfering, they were already backing up when they saw the guns drawn.
I guess it would be too much to ask that one officer had a tazer and the back-up had a gun?
I don't want those cops near my kids or grandkids either!



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: kx12x
1:30 "Drop the gun" Put headphones on and turn up the volume, it's very clear that he says "drop the gun."

Around the same time, look at his right hand..



Cut and dry, in my opinion.


? did you fallow the reports ? No gun was there but a knife. Its from yesterday or the day before.



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