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Jim Foley beheading a Fake?

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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Fake
sleeves rolled up AFTER execution, no blood on body, in fact no blood in video
more propaganda to make us believers in our next bought-and-paid-for boogy man.




posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: Gozer

Shame I can't give you a star. Well said, at last someone is talking some sense



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: all2human
Fake
sleeves rolled up AFTER execution, no blood on body, in fact no blood in video
more propaganda to make us believers in our next bought-and-paid-for boogy man.


So are the other ISIS atrocities all fake then, such as;

* Killing Muslims from a different sect of Islam
* Burying Woman and Children alive
* Cutting Children in Half
* Rape and Murder of Woman and Children including boys

I cannot see why you believe that the western Governments would fake this video when the World already knows the horrors being committed by ISIS before this decapitation took place.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
So are the other ISIS atrocities all fake then, such as;

* Killing Muslims from a different sect of Islam
* Burying Woman and Children alive
* Cutting Children in Half
* Rape and Murder of Woman and Children including boys

I cannot see why you believe that the western Governments would fake this video when the World already knows the horrors being committed by ISIS before this decapitation took place.


did he say that? or are you just trying to paint him as stupid?
I didn't read him say that, I think he made valid points.

No ones doubting ISIS are bad mofo's committing horrible crimes.
But that doesn't mean we should just accept everything we're being told.

here's a question.
you mentioned above ISIS have done some haneous things. We know they have, the footage is there to see.
Why then would they shy away from showing an American being executed? We are their arch enemy the infidels. You'd think an American being cut up by ISIS would be prime time viewing.
Yet, they didn't show it. Why?

Here's another question, why is there no blood dripping down his throat when the blade starts cutting?



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
I posted the following on another thread discussing James Wright Foley and it belongs in this thread as well IMO


For god sake, I'm getting sick of hearing that the video is fake, perhaps its because this is a conspiracy site and attracts certain individuals who will cast aspersions that everything is faked unless they had a ring side seat at the execution.

Whilst people are entitled to their opinion, some ATS members have been drivelling on for nearly three days how this video is a fake.

JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY was executed by decapitation this week. Just because some sick individuals never got to see the whole "Snuff Movie" to appease their morbid fascination of a fellow human being loosing his life, does not mean the video is faked.

Read the newspapers to see how James Foley was treated by his captors as they knew his brother John was in the American Military, and this following story is from the actual fellow French Hostages that were released last year and they speak about how James was singled out and had many mock executions and a mock crucifixion as they were held captive with James. This may not fit nicely with some members view of events, but I am more likely to listen to someone who was actually held captive with James rather than a bunch of morbid users on ATS who wanted to see blood and gore or it didn't happen crowd.

Read Story Here

Possible reasons why some poor ATS members were not able to appease their morbid appetite for Gore;

1) Perhaps when James finally realised he was actually not in a mock execution, he started to fight back the best he could and this was not shown for obvious reasons

2) Perhaps the Barbarians who were carrying out the execution messed up and had to have someone else come in and help finish of the job.

Who knows why these Barbarians never showed the whole video.

At this moment in time, I am ashamed to be a member on ATS, thank god a majority of members on this site do not hold the same fascination as the "Snuff Movie" crowd.

Sorry for the rant but its been boiling up for a couple of days now and its sickening to see the same users saying the same thing time and time again without any evidence to back up their obnoxious claims.


Did you watch the video?



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

I have had my fill dealing and conversing with you for nearly three days, you keep going on and on like a broken down record about your opinion on how the video is fake.

I do not have the energy to converse with you any longer and IMO its folks like you that make ATS an embarrassment to be a member of at times. You have had answers to all your points including your own thread that a ATS ended up placing in "Skunk Works", and yet you continue with your drivel and do not respond to any points that have been made to your various disillusioned opinions and continue to spout the same old drivel. I am yet to see you contribute one thing to these debates with prove that your opinions are actually worth listening to, as all points so far you raised have been answered.

Perhaps your time would be best served going back through the numerous threads you have posted on to see the responses you have received including the one I left you on your own thread in which you never responded to.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

Actually, you keep replying like that and never actually get involved in the discussion.

If you have replied, by all means copy and paste your responses. I'll be here for an hour or two. No snarky comments, no immature name calling. Come on, dont be scared lets have a mature debate.

Yet you dont answer any question. I find that really odd.

Why is there no blood dripping down his neck?
Why would isis hide an American being executed when they've never shyed away from showing blood shed?
Why is the dirt around his feet not disturbed?
Why is he so calm and collected?

You could answer these question with valid responses and be involved in a mature debate.

I'm game.. lets roll brutha!
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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Remedylane

originally posted by: flammadraco
I posted the following on another thread discussing James Wright Foley and it belongs in this thread as well IMO


For god sake, I'm getting sick of hearing that the video is fake, perhaps its because this is a conspiracy site and attracts certain individuals who will cast aspersions that everything is faked unless they had a ring side seat at the execution.

Whilst people are entitled to their opinion, some ATS members have been drivelling on for nearly three days how this video is a fake.

JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY was executed by decapitation this week. Just because some sick individuals never got to see the whole "Snuff Movie" to appease their morbid fascination of a fellow human being loosing his life, does not mean the video is faked.

Read the newspapers to see how James Foley was treated by his captors as they knew his brother John was in the American Military, and this following story is from the actual fellow French Hostages that were released last year and they speak about how James was singled out and had many mock executions and a mock crucifixion as they were held captive with James. This may not fit nicely with some members view of events, but I am more likely to listen to someone who was actually held captive with James rather than a bunch of morbid users on ATS who wanted to see blood and gore or it didn't happen crowd.

Read Story Here

Possible reasons why some poor ATS members were not able to appease their morbid appetite for Gore;

1) Perhaps when James finally realised he was actually not in a mock execution, he started to fight back the best he could and this was not shown for obvious reasons

2) Perhaps the Barbarians who were carrying out the execution messed up and had to have someone else come in and help finish of the job.

Who knows why these Barbarians never showed the whole video.

At this moment in time, I am ashamed to be a member on ATS, thank god a majority of members on this site do not hold the same fascination as the "Snuff Movie" crowd.

Sorry for the rant but its been boiling up for a couple of days now and its sickening to see the same users saying the same thing time and time again without any evidence to back up their obnoxious claims.


Did you watch the video?


Yes, I was sent a picture on Twitter (news Twitter account) from the aftermath of the decapitation, and whilst I never at first wanted to see the video, I did watch the first part until it fades out to ascertain the Barbarians accent as another ATS member was 80% sure the guy was from Yorkshire, despite my protests he was from East London which has now been confirmed.

Typical though was the fact that this member was 80% sure the chap was from Yorkshire and probably 80% sure the video was a fake like some other members on here. Just goes to show percentages mean bugger all really!



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

God, I wish there was a mute button on ATS.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
You have had answers to all your points including your own thread that a ATS ended up placing in "Skunk Works",


I think your mistaken, I haven't created any thread. Please link to my mysterious ghost thread!
I'd be really interested to read what I had to say... ?



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: flammadraco
You have had answers to all your points including your own thread that a ATS ended up placing in "Skunk Works",


I think your mistaken, I haven't created any thread. Please link to my mysterious ghost thread!
I'd be really interested to read what I had to say... ?


Apologies I thought you were the OP for this thread, however go and reread the first page of this thread and your questions have been answered several times.



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by agit8dchop
I'll be here for an hour or two. No snarky comments, no immature name calling. Come on, dont be scared lets have a mature debate.




originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: Agit8dChop

God, I wish there was a mute button on ATS.



This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Your scared of a mature debate.
You bark at people who are questioning this video.
You seem to do anything to avoid discussing the point raised.
Its a shame, you seem quite intelligent - all i want is a simple debate. But if thats below you I apologise.
enjoy your night.
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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Mature debate, are you joking? Have you seen these threads for the last three days? You have members coming on stating "its a Fake" with no other evidence to submit other than their own opinions.

I'm barking at people as you so elegantly put it due to the fact that the same questions are being asked that have been answered numerous times. If folk actually read the whole threads instead of skipping to the part they want to ask a question without trawling through pages of debate, then yes I am guilty as charged.

Take a look at the following link that a poster made on the first page of this thread and it will answer some of your questions; www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

To add I got you confused from another thread where you and i were discussing this very subject, no idea why I thought you were the OP of this thread.

Here's the link www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

Fair call. I will do as you ask and read those points.
Ok done, frankly they dont answer half of the question I have asked of you. Funny you dont answer them yourself but point to another thread but ok, here we go. I will respectfully reply (no name calling, no snarky comments and no wimpish retreats)

Here we go (and this is in response to YOUR specific link to answers ok)



1. Fades out on purpose, for whatever reason, they didn't want their global audience to see that part. It could be because they simply chose to make the video a little less graphic than the previous ones in recent years. Or the cutting off of the head completely could've and probably took a fair amount of time.


Ok, If you watch their first video, you see quite clearly ISIS shooting kids in the head. Brains, Blood, Skull fragments.
You see ISIS putting a bullet into any persons head then throwing them off a cliff. Why then, after all that blood and gore would they decide to ''cut'' an American being cut up? Have they suddenly become squirmish? This point doesnt hold water. Especially given the fact that they ''apparently'' show a headless corpse complete with ''apparent'' blood and a chopped off head. Its contradicting itself. - we cut because we dont want to show gore, then we show a photo of a decapated American.

So, in the interest of a mature debate please point out where I am wrong in my reasoning.



He may not have known that they were going to do it right then and there. These hostages are not told much of anything, and if they are, its usually psychology and lies. He may have had a good idea what was about to happen, or maybe he thought it was just a video to threaten his death without actually doing it at that particular moment.


Yes, fair point. He might not have known his head was going to be cut off. However, he was driven into the middle of a desert. The man with the knife had his faced covered. There was a camera pointing at him. When the man with the knife put the blade to his throat he took a deep breathe to prepare himself. listening to the wording of the script it sure sounds to me like it was obvious he was about to be beheaded. Also, the script reads along the lines that the reason for this execution was because the US was bombing ISIS. The US hadn't bombed ISIS before so he must have known this time was different. But regardless, if your a hostage to Muslim fanatics who dream about butchering Americans and have proven time and time again they can kill indiscriminately there is no way in the world you could hold your nerve so well, be so calm and talk so properly into the camera like that.

So, in the interest of a mature debate please point out where I am wrong in my reasoning.


They've been using small knives to behead hostages since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and prior. It's actually a special kind of Islamic knife used to sacrifice the animals that they eat to celebrate their holiday of Eid-al Adha


I dont see how this is valid to be honest, I never raised a point about a knife. You could cut someones head off with a spoon if you did it right. The knife doesn't matter.


He had a British accent, according to linguistics experts. There are hundreds of British nationals currently in ISI


Again this doesn't matter. There are many British, Australian and probably some American nut cases in Iraq fighting for ISIS. Mute point. I never raised it.


They'd use special effects because they've got people doing their media stuff that have some level of skills, equipment, and knowledge. That's really beside the point, other than to say that people trained in camera work, special effects, and video editing are a part of ISIS


again another mute point I never raised. but, this comment suggests ISIS have some crack media team who create movies. Doesn't that then put onus on the chance this is faked? I mean, they have the media skills, and its media skills that would be needed to fake an execution movie, right?



It either took too long, was too messy, or was in effect 'botched' for any of these reasons


Now I have raised this before. Taking too long isnt logical. Their last movie was over 30minutes long. So why would a 7 minute execution be considered '' too long ''?
Too Messy - they are cutting a mans head off. How messy did they expect it to be?

So, respectfully I have answered your request and read the points you pointed out. I have replied to them why they are not logical - I think my points are justified.

HOWEVER

no where in that post did it answer

1. Why is there no blood when the knife starts cutting?
2. Why is the dirt not disturbed around his feet. If you had watched other beheading videos you'd see how much someone struggles when their head is being cut off
3. Why is there little to no blood on the ground, clothes, feet of the victim in the still photo? do you know how much blood spurts and sprays when a head is cut off?

Respectfully, I have done what you asked. So please, reply back with your valid reasons why my points are not correct in your eyes.

Thanks.




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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:19 AM
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Has anyone thought that:

The first part of the video was a rehearsal used because the video that the actual beheading was not what they wanted people to see (him fighting, them blundering). So they showed a rehearsal and then showed his decapitated body afterwards?



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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
Take a look at the following link that a poster made on the first page of this thread and it will answer some of your questions; www.abovetopsecret.com...


Sigh, how disappointing.

You accuse people of being ignorant and stupid and wasting time because they have a valid opinion about this beheading. To backup how correct you are, you insist we read the information you believe answers all our questions.

So we do, then reply why your stated answers are in fact not valid.

Then you log off and run away.

Disappointing.

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posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: Agit8dChop

To add I got you confused from another thread where you and i were discussing this very subject, no idea why I thought you were the OP of this thread.

Here's the link www.abovetopsecret.com...


No problems dude, mistakes happen!



posted on Aug, 22 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: Remedylane

originally posted by: flammadraco
I posted the following on another thread discussing James Wright Foley and it belongs in this thread as well IMO


For god sake, I'm getting sick of hearing that the video is fake, perhaps its because this is a conspiracy site and attracts certain individuals who will cast aspersions that everything is faked unless they had a ring side seat at the execution.

Whilst people are entitled to their opinion, some ATS members have been drivelling on for nearly three days how this video is a fake.

JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY was executed by decapitation this week. Just because some sick individuals never got to see the whole "Snuff Movie" to appease their morbid fascination of a fellow human being loosing his life, does not mean the video is faked.

Read the newspapers to see how James Foley was treated by his captors as they knew his brother John was in the American Military, and this following story is from the actual fellow French Hostages that were released last year and they speak about how James was singled out and had many mock executions and a mock crucifixion as they were held captive with James. This may not fit nicely with some members view of events, but I am more likely to listen to someone who was actually held captive with James rather than a bunch of morbid users on ATS who wanted to see blood and gore or it didn't happen crowd.

Read Story Here

Possible reasons why some poor ATS members were not able to appease their morbid appetite for Gore;

1) Perhaps when James finally realised he was actually not in a mock execution, he started to fight back the best he could and this was not shown for obvious reasons

2) Perhaps the Barbarians who were carrying out the execution messed up and had to have someone else come in and help finish of the job.

Who knows why these Barbarians never showed the whole video.

At this moment in time, I am ashamed to be a member on ATS, thank god a majority of members on this site do not hold the same fascination as the "Snuff Movie" crowd.

Sorry for the rant but its been boiling up for a couple of days now and its sickening to see the same users saying the same thing time and time again without any evidence to back up their obnoxious claims.


Did you watch the video?


Yes, I was sent a picture on Twitter (news Twitter account) from the aftermath of the decapitation, and whilst I never at first wanted to see the video, I did watch the first part until it fades out to ascertain the Barbarians accent as another ATS member was 80% sure the guy was from Yorkshire, despite my protests he was from East London which has now been confirmed.

Typical though was the fact that this member was 80% sure the chap was from Yorkshire and probably 80% sure the video was a fake like some other members on here. Just goes to show percentages mean bugger all really!


So the fact that I watched the video doesn't make me some crazed gore seeker. And the fact that Im not convinced the video is real doesn't make me any more of a gore seeker just because I want to see more. You watched the video too remember? So what does that make you?? Ive said throughout this thread that I am not convinced either way. I try to look at things objectively. There are lots of valid points on why the video may be real, and why it has so many edits. ISIS wants to look organized and professional, so if the beheading was indeed botched or really took 7 mins I can see why they would want to save face.

However.. There are just as many things that point to it being fake. As stated in this thread. The biggest one of those for me is zero blood when the initial deed begins. You would see some blood, especially with an HD camera. So all we are all really left with is our opinions. Yours opinion is no more valid than mine or anyone elses. I do respect your opinion however. You do at least back it up with coherent and logical thoughts.

As for me, I am still on the fence with this one. But my gut feeling is that it is fake. For many of the reasons already stated here.




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