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It's over... The balance has tipped and the welfare state has won... For now...

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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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Welfare collapse.....

India Caste System plan.

Shudras - Untouchables




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Mirthful Me

Uhhh, try again. A huge chunk of those people on welfare benefits DO work. And not just fast food/ minimum wage jobs, either. However, wages have not kept up with inflation and the cost of living. So while the price of everything has gone up greatly over the past 15 years, wage increases have not. However, profit margins have gone up like crazy.

There are a lot of people who work full time jobs, but their wages are still so low that they qualify for food stamps or other assistance. Contrary to what the right wingnut talking heads are saying, most of those people are not lazy drugged out layabouts.

In fact, are you aware that something like 1/3 of active duty military families are on some form of non-military government assistance, like food stamps? Many veterans are also on government assistance along with their VA benefits, basically things that the VA won't cover, like food stamps. Not to mention many elderly who receive social security/Medicare are also on other forms of welfare.

The fact that 1/3 of America is receiving some form of government assistance is alarming, but not in the way you are trying to make it. It's alarming to me because it's a sign that Americans are no longer able to take care of themselves despite them having jobs, or performed military service. That our economic system no longer supports a self-sustaining, healthy middle class.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf




However, profit margins have gone up like crazy.


Umm... have any data to support that? I believe there are a number of bankrupt businesses that would argue that point.

Over that same 15 year period energy costs have gone up significantly along with many other costs of doing business.




The fact that 1/3 of America is receiving some form of government assistance is alarming, but not in the way you are trying to make it. It's alarming to me because it's a sign that Americans are no longer able to take care of themselves despite them having jobs, or performed military service. That our economic system no longer supports a self-sustaining, healthy middle class.


I believe the number you are seeking is closer to 1/2, not 1/3. You cannot count dependent children.


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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith


The problem with that statement is, when you consider who actually gives to charities conservatives give much more than liberals do.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: bbracken677

And maybe that's because "conservatives" HAVE more money to donate.
Maybe?

Conservatives are also very active on Wall Street -
people on the dole can't afford to play.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: jrod




Yet the balance of wealth is clearly the other way. The vast majority of wealth is controlled by very small number of people.


No IT's NOT.

Between government ran 'single payer' health ( medicare, and medicaid) that makes the US government the largest provider of healthcare in this country that accounts for over 2 trillion dollars ALONE.

Then the TRILLIONS more from that other program called social security.

online.wsj.com...



In 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services.


That is over 2 trillion dollars of current federal spending 'providing' for the materialistic wants of the masses.

www.usdebtclock.org...

Adding up ALL the monies owed for social engineering progams aka the WELFARE state.

AKA the WELFARE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX comes of to over 117 trillion dollars 'owed' to the people.

The 'wealth' is shifted for the 'few'

BULLSNIP.

Hell that wasnt even counting FOOD STAMPS.

Hell that wasnt even counting the NEW student loand 'debt' that people don't have jobs to pay back comes up to over 1 trillion dollars.

An exponetially growth since the current government cut out them 'evil' banks.

50 milllion on medicaid.

www.nytimes.com...

50 million on medicare.

www.census.gov...

60 million on social security.

www.ssa.gov...

50 million on food stamps.

www.washingtonpost.com...


WE ARE THE WELFARE STATES OF AMERICA.


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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: bbracken677

And maybe that's because "conservatives" HAVE more money to donate.
Maybe?

Conservatives are also very active on Wall Street -
people on the dole can't afford to play.


Or maybe it's because rich millionaire Liberals are stingy.

Al Gore is very active on Wall Street carbon scams.




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: Mirthful Me

Unbelieveable. You have no idea what you're talking about. I happen to work for my county human services department, specifically economic support. The vast majority of people on benefits are working, many more than one job. They are worn out, tired of getting screwed over by greedy employers, and are struggling. You make it sound like they are a bunch of lazy arses sitting around sucking on the government teat. It's these greedy corporations raking in billions of dollars, getting their damn corporate welfare that are the problem! Pretty soon there will be no more middle class. Please get a clue.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Mirthful Me


109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" — also known as welfare — as of the fourth quarter of 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.

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When those receiving benefits from non-means-tested federal programs — such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment and veterans benefits — were added to those taking welfare benefits, it turned out that 153,323,000 people were getting federal benefits of some type at the end of 2012.


www.cnsnews.com...

There's no doubt that this dependent class has done nothing but increase in size since 2012. The only thing that will end this socialist bloat is it's eventual collapse under it's own weight when there are too few people actually working and producing to tax and prop up this horrific blight. This government hand out dependence may ensure socialist victories over the next few election cycles, but may spell the end of our once great republic.

I see little hope of correcting this political malfeasance and saving this great, no, this extraordinary experiment that was ingeniously crafted and corrupted by graft and misguided largesse... The disease is set to run it's course now that critical mass has been reached..


Wow. "Dependent class". Socialist Bloat. Horrific blight. Political malfeasance. "The Disease".

Whoa! HATRED

Bless your heart.
I wish there was some way I could send the $2.00 a month or so, from your income that goes towards feeding the hungry.
I would be happy to. Would that make you feel better? Then you could know in your heart, by God, that if any of those horrific diseased ones live, it's sure as hell not because of you!

Oh, and this: UGH.
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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: ChiefD

Greedy employers ?

GREEDY EMPLOYERS ?

Hey Guess who the eff is paying half of employees medicare, and social security contributions ?

EMPLOYERS.

Guess who is paying ALL of their employees unemployment insurance ?

EMPLOYERS.

Guess who is paying ALL of their employees workmans comp insurance ?

EMPLOYERS.

Guess who is paying double time, triple time, and holiday pay for doing the same work, and no work at all ?

EMPLOYERS.

Guess who is paying people not to work at all for weeks called 'vacations'.

EMPLOYERS.

Yeah some people are greedy, EMPLOYERS ?

Not so much.

And that is after the operating costs, and their fixed costs.

They are the last to get paid.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: neo96

You really need to watch the documentary Inequality for All . It sheds some light on the half truths and straight up lies that so many believe. The gap of wealth in the US has been growing for decades, this is a fact.

There is also another thread worth checking out:

Ultra-rich man's letter: "To My Fellow Filthy Rich Americans: The Pitchforks Are Coming"

Keep blaming the poor, that is the trap that has been set. Many of the working class continue to fall for it.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The words of the billionaire:


...And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

If we don’t do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when....

Nick Hanauer


The very few control the vast majority of wealth in the world, the rest of us are fighting for scraps. This is the reality of our times.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Iamthatbish
There are cities and counties garemteeing their h.s. graduates a college education for free. That's a damn good start.

When the federal govt was proud to make a profit off of our student loans you should have paid attention.

Education of the people for employment means less need for assisting them later.


You know, I remember having a conversation with my grandfather when I was a little girl, and he asked me if I wanted to go to college. I said I did, and I asked him if he had gone. He said "oh, no. When I was a young man, only the rich could go to college".

I've never forgotten that. Both his sons graduated from college, and so did I. But we are headed right straight back to the way things were when my grandfather was "a young man". I really, really hate it. : (



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: Pants3204

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Mirthful Me

I strongly disagree. The wealth hoarding of the super-elite is the problem.
Trickle-down Economics DOES NOT WORK.

You all (the rich and laissez-faire fans) broke it? You FIX IT - and stop whining about it.


The wealthy do not "hoard" their wealth. If you think that is truly what happens then maybe that is why you aren't wealthy yourself.

The United States, and many other nations, experienced their most substantial increases in quality of life and personal freedoms under a very limited governmental role.


You comment is sarcastic right? I know a very wealthy individual. He inherited his money from his father who owned the majority of strip malls in Long Beach and Santa Monica Ca. He bought a lavish motor home and lives in camp grounds and doesn't spend a dime. He wears the same clothes he bought 20 years ago. He lives as a pauper but has millions in the bank. He also invested much of his money in oil.

Old wealth and extreme wealth horde their wealth. New wealth and the people who get or make a few million and think they are wealthy spend, well, sometimes. Smart wealthy people live like the average person while investing their money.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: neo96

You really need to watch the documentary Inequality for All . It sheds some light on the half truths and straight up lies that so many believe. The gap of wealth in the US has been growing for decades, this is a fact.

There is also another thread worth checking out:

Ultra-rich man's letter: "To My Fellow Filthy Rich Americans: The Pitchforks Are Coming"

Keep blaming the poor, that is the trap that has been set. Many of the working class continue to fall for it.



Yo feel free to quote any 'blame' there.

That was stating the reality of the current state of the GD union.

Poor people ?

Take a good look at Africa to see what real poverty looks like.








You really need to watch the documentary Inequality for All . I


The has always been 'inequality'.

Those who have, and those who don't.

The difference between skill labor, and unskilled labor.

But then again since all money is FIAT.

The government prints out of thin air.

That half of this country who are on social programs DO NOT PAY income taxes that introduce NEW wealth that social programs DESTROY.

46 Percent of Americans Exempt From Federal Income Tax in 2011'

Then they make a MINORITY to pay for the 'Mobs' wants.


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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: neo96

The words of the billionaire:


...And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

If we don’t do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when....

Nick Hanauer


The very few control the vast majority of wealth in the world, the rest of us are fighting for scraps. This is the reality of our times.


What ?

Who gives an eff what a 'billionaire' says.

First they say rich people are evil.

Then they say we have to listen to what they say.

Blah.

What way is it now?


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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Way to try to polarize people..."First they say rich people are evil. Then they say we have to listen to what they say." That is not exactly logical reasoning there.

Not everyone who earns a fortune has no morals.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Our money is based on a fiat currency system, this is true. However wealth and money are not exactly the same thing.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: neo96

There is no such thing as "rich" absent the rest of society. Most of the rich owe arguably more to society than society owes to them. Only those who are enraptured by modern conservative, particularly GOP/Tea Party propaganda, really indulge in irrationally blaming the poor.

Worship of Job Creators and whining about the givers and the takers exemplifies the effects of neocon programming. Class warfare! Redistribution! Interestingly, many very prominent, influential conservative economists and philosophers have and do support things that would make the average right-winger froth at the mouth in anger. For example, there's a considerable amount of support for basic income among Libertarians. Supporters of the FairTax are supporters of the prebate.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: neo96

Way to try to polarize people..."First they say rich people are evil. Then they say we have to listen to what they say." That is not exactly logical reasoning there.

Not everyone who earns a fortune has no morals.


Sorry that is not what progressives say.

There is not rich person out there that got that way that didn't screw someone over.

Then they use a' billionaire' which is quite hypocritic to 'justify' their opinion.




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