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Conversion to Islam in prison, Sleepers in the making?

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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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Hello all,
This is my first thread so I apologize if it is not up to standards but something occurred to me while watching the beheading of James Foley and reading through comments while on another site.

One member of the site thought that the man who did the killing looked and sounded like a Black Brit. I'm not saying one way or the other, but another member agreed with him and stated that he believed he was probably a prison convert to Islam. This got me thinking, I wonder how many people in the federal prison system are of the Islamic faith. A quick search of Google (everyone's favorite I know) lead me to this Wikipedia (another one I know).
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Which states that 17-20% of the prisoners in New York state (around 350,000) were of the Islamic faith and that Islam accounts for 80% of all conversions in prison. It goes on to state that many of these converts become radicalized and are influenced by outside forces.

Could these large numbers of people who are already most likely not too happy with their current state of affairs, fueled by a conversion to radical Islam be used by an outside force as "sleeper" agents? Could someone or group possibly arrange a mass simultaneous prison escape across each state and then use these people to wage a campaign of destruction across America?




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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the threat of established, mission-ready sleeper cells seems to have gone largely undiscussed by the media (certainly here in the UK). that is a mistake.

they represent a real potential for bloody mayhem at a given signal.
if this happens in many locations simultaneously the police will be stretched beyond their abilities to cope.

a possible nightmare scenario in any country. and one that should be taken extremely seriously.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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You know that about 99% of all the worlds muslims arent radical or extremists right? Muslims are just as peacefull as your nextdoor atheist/christian/jew/hindu/buddhist/whatever.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: Nettlas
You know that about 99% of all the worlds muslims arent radical or extremists right? Muslims are just as peacefull as your nextdoor atheist/christian/jew/hindu/buddhist/whatever.


Your percentages are off sir.

I'm not going to waste my time and reward your laziness for not researching this with a copy and past war. If you've made this assertion based off ignorance; forgive me.

If not shame on you for being dishonest.

I'm a Christian and wouldn't claim 99% of all Christians do ANY one thing or aren't ANY one way. I'm not even sure if some of them actually breathe. (Such tight asses)



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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I would say it is only a moderate concern.
It is my opinion that most of the prison converted muslim, (in the USA, anyway) convert to find peace and salvation, not to go down a radical, self destructive path.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Nettlas
You know that about 99% of all the worlds muslims arent radical or extremists right? Muslims are just as peacefull as your nextdoor atheist/christian/jew/hindu/buddhist/whatever.


good luck trying to convince those who learn Islam from newsflash.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Nettlas
You know that about 99% of all the worlds muslims arent radical or extremists right? Muslims are just as peacefull as your nextdoor atheist/christian/jew/hindu/buddhist/whatever.


Paranoia driven by the MSM... Now every Muslim is a sleeper waiting to be unleashed against an unsuspecting Westerner. This kind of stuff makes me chuckle.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: TiedDestructor

99% is not correct but I find the accusation that 25% are in fact Extremists is ridiculous also. We can barely find 10,000 fighters in ISIS and though I understand ISIS are not the only extremist group where the hell are the other 399,990,000 which make up the rest of the 25%?
edit on 20-8-2014 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Nettlas
You know that about 99% of all the worlds muslims arent radical or extremists right? Muslims are just as peacefull as your nextdoor atheist/christian/jew/hindu/buddhist/whatever.

Rational thought on ATS??

Good luck with that.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiedDestructor

99% is not correct but I find the accusation that 25% are in fact Extremists is ridiculous also. We can barely find 10,000 fighters in ISIS and though I understand ISIS are not the only extremist group where the hell are the other 399,990,000 which make up the rest of the 25%?


I'd feel comfortable saying around 10% are actually extremists with the 25% number covering that 10% and the 15 or so % who support but don't actively engage with said 10%.

You know yourself many of these people hide their views especially when living in the US. I know that 1st hand from Muslims who have abandoned Islam and speak freely of the darker side many suppress because of threat of reprisal.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: TiedDestructor

I find the Muslims very open in my country and on a regular basis I am seeing them in the Newspapers condemning the actions of the Extremists. I don't know what Muslims are like in the USA but I don't see what your saying in Australia though I agree there are a few nomads who do become Extremists and should be monitored also.

Too be honest with you we have more issues with the Lebanese and they are Christians lol
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posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

have you ever seen the face of American when someone they didn't expect say they're Muslim?

brainwashing, sadly; many of them are actually afraid of Muslims, any Muslim.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: demus
a reply to: DarknStormy

have you ever seen the face of American when someone they didn't expect say they're Muslim?

brainwashing, sadly; many of them are actually afraid of Muslims, any Muslim.


I can see that bro, much of the crap on the internet and through the Media doesn't help the situation either. Don't get me wrong, many Australians probably have the same view when it comes to Muslims and that is something which needs to change.. We are fed the same bs here also and at the end of the day, that bs becomes a false truth to many.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: demus
a reply to: DarknStormy

have you ever seen the face of American when someone they didn't expect say they're Muslim?

brainwashing, sadly; many of them are actually afraid of Muslims, any Muslim.


Really? I've never met anyone afraid of a muslim?

We are the "crazy violent gun-toting/loving" Americans right?

They should be scared of us......The way the world conveys us anyways....right?


edit on 8/20/2014 by TiedDestructor because: Added a d....lol! If your reading this you have entirely too much time on your hands...as do I for typing it




posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: tranquilone666

This has been the case for over 50 years...When I was in prison 25 years ago, I met a few muslim converts which were heavily recruited from the street gangs.

I found them to be particularly offensive human beings, as for them the whole religion was just another hustle with the intent of achieving power. and this angle had support within the groups as a whole.

if you ever see an old friend that went that route, shoot first!

the mass prison escape was attempted in 2011, but failed. it was to be coordinated with the Arab Spring.

probably (it what I'd have called it) codenamed: Jack in the Box.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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and they aren't sleepers...they keep those prayer rugs to symbolize their willingness to Roll Out the Welcome Mat in the event an invasion occurs.

given all that is going on only an idiot would trust someone born non-muslim and then convert to muslim.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: TiedDestructor

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: TiedDestructor

99% is not correct but I find the accusation that 25% are in fact Extremists is ridiculous also. We can barely find 10,000 fighters in ISIS and though I understand ISIS are not the only extremist group where the hell are the other 399,990,000 which make up the rest of the 25%?


I'd feel comfortable saying around 10% are actually extremists with the 25% number covering that 10% and the 15 or so % who support but don't actively engage with said 10%.

You know yourself many of these people hide their views especially when living in the US. I know that 1st hand from Muslims who have abandoned Islam and speak freely of the darker side many suppress because of threat of reprisal.


!0% would mean that the world has 160 million radicals we would have over run years ago. If the radicals could come up a million men we would be in real trouble. I would say the number most likely is under 1%. Even at 1% we would be talking about 1.6 million and that number would be very high compared to what we have seen.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: michaelbrux
and they aren't sleepers...they keep those prayer rugs to symbolize their willingness to Roll Out the Welcome Mat in the event an invasion occurs.

given all that is going on only an idiot would trust someone born non-muslim and then convert to muslim.


What do you mean by what is going on?



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

The war that has been going on for 13 years and has almost completely been defined as Asymmetric.

Religious conversion is Asymmetric Warfare.



posted on Aug, 20 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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A reply to: TiedDestructor

I'm sorry if you came to the conclusion that I thought every Muslim was a radical. Silly me I thought that I had said people who convert who already have reason to dislike America in my OP.
Also I would imagine that the number is higher then 1%. Just because you don't openly declare yourself to be a wanna be jihadist doesn't mean you aren't thinking it inside. It's pretty easy to hide your true feelings from people.




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