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originally posted by: hellboyz
If all this Silva stuff had been brought up during Vances security clearance investigation, he would have never gotten his clearance. I have been thru the clearance process a couple of times. Once for myself and twice with my son's that now serve. Any indication of extremist religious groups, gangs or anything that could make u look weak willed or open to so kind of blackmail gets a clearance denied quick. They r very picky about who gets a clearance and who doesn't. Seen people get denied for silly stuff. The screening process for a military Intel job is quite intense. They talk to your family, friends, teachers. Anybody that they can find that knows you looking for a chink in your armor. The psych evals are no walk in the park either. Then there the annual polygraph. You have to keep yourself and your life wired pretty tight to get in and stay in. It's not a perfect system, but it is intense. There is a lot of pressures in the Intel world most will never experience or understand.
originally posted by: hellboyz
Vance would have been in Fl. at least 6 months or so. It would be interesting to find out how long Vance was in Augsburg. Between basic training and school it normally takes a year or so. NSA is a 2 year tour. Meaning Vance had to have been in at least 3 years...
k, guys, i feel #ing crazy for even proposing this, and it's probably a trash hypopnosis, but..
From an esoteric (don't shoot me I'm speculating) perspective, if we had respectable officers claiming to be hearing voices, colleagues and superiors would be raising eyebrows. If, as the claim goes, some of those messages came to pass, a smart guy would want to know more about it. You'd want to know the source of the data, the accuracy and who else could get access to it. I guess, you'd also want to gain some control over it and muddy it up if you couldn't.
I wonder if certain people were unsettled by the folk claiming 'voices' and set out to replicate them to be certain of their psychological origins? It's a crazy way to falsify the premise that voices from Elsewhere are influencing people. Men staring at goats.
Alexander further suggested during a relatively recent podcast interview that all members of the Gulf Breeze Six are crazy. I take issue with such an assertion for no less than two reasons:
One, I find it very difficult to accept they all coincidentally took leave of their senses at the same time - at least not unless a specific stimulus caused it. While a solid argument can certainly be made that a disturbed individual may be extremely talented in the art of persuasion, hypothetically leading others into the land of comets and Kool-Aid, such an argument nonetheless takes us.
Two, I simply cannot accept without question how their collective behavior could have snowballed and escaped evaluation within a high profile National Security Agency facility. After all, Major General Stubblebine himself seems to have known then-Specialist Davis, and these were not your garden variety Army deserters. They were military intelligence analysts who claimed contact with aliens and divine entities on an NSA base. This, in itself, is absolutely extraordinary.
The possibilities should motivate ambitious researchers for years to come: non-lethal weapons testing, mind control, spy games, and considerations that such operations spiraled out of control. The implications are nearly as broad as interesting.
In the end, I think we must consider the significance of how the Gulf Breeze Six and their superiors were in the business of paying attention, particularly to potential security breeches and weak links in the chain. Any way we might choose to look at it, I cannot accept without question how such personnel could have been spending their time playing with a Ouija board and narrating stories of alien visitations without the NSA taking significant responsibility for the situation.
In December 1980, Colonel Alexander published an article in the US Army's journal, Military Review, "The New Mental Battlefield", stating that telepathy could be used to interfere with the brain's electrical activity. This caught the attention of senior Army generals who encouraged him to pursue what they termed "soft option kill" technologies. After retiring from the Army in 1988, Alexander joined the Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL) and began working with Janet Morris, the Research Director of the US Global Strategy Council (USGSC), chaired by Dr Ray Cline, former Deputy Director of the CIA.artificialtelepathy.blogspot.com...
The Aviary in Order of Codename:
BLUEJAY - Dr Chris Green - CIA.
CHICKADEE - Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones - psychotronics, Navy Intel, DIA
CONDOR - Capt. Bob Collins, USAF
HAWK - Ernie Kellerstraus
FALCON - Sgt. Richard "Dick" Doty
MORNINGDOVE - Unnamed
OWL - Dr Harold Puthoff – Parapsychologist, Ex NSA
PARTRIDGE - Jacques Vallee, PhD
PELICAN - Ron Pandolphi – Physicist CIA
PENGUIN - John Alexander - Former Army Intel on the board of Psi-tech
RAVEN - Dr Jack Vorona – DIA DoD
SEAGULL - Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D.
SPARROW - William Moore, USAF
The Aviary in order of real name:
COL. JOHN B. ALEXANDER - Penguin
CAPT. BOB COLLINS - Condor
SGT. RICHARD "DICK" DOTY - Falcon
Dr. CHRISTOPHER GREEN - Bluejay
C.B. SCOTT JONES - Falcon or Chickadee
ERNIE KELLERSTRAUS - Hawk
BRUCE MACCABEE - Seagull
WILLIAM MOORE - Sparrow
RON PANDOLFI - Pelican
DR. HAL PUTHOFF - Owl
JACQUES VALEE - Partridge
JACK VORONA - Raven