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WTF? Electric shock devices used in US courts???

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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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You wouldn't be able to prove ME not having a heart attack. The average person yes. Also, not only are the heart attack signs for men and woman are not the same. This is why stun guns sometime accidentally kill people.

a reply to: Domo1




posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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Having a democracy without powers to overturn bad decisions, and fire/arrest rogue governments and judges is not a democracy of any flavor, its not proportional or representational, its just a lie.

And I think that any time things like this happen people need to make a huge stink and not elect anyone who doesnt change those things in question.

This is just unbelievable. Feel like the frog with the water near boiling just about now. We're allowing this to go far to far.
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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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How is this not a violation of this defendants civil rights? And keeping someone detained and administering electric shocks to keep them complaint sounds like a serious instance of 'cruel and unusual punishment.'

'Murica, your status as the 'land of the free' is plummeting.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

As I said, the shocks were too much. I still think ten days for contempt of court would have been a good move. This episode is probably a one-off. I don't foresee the downfall of America over this.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

Agreed but to be fair it's not going to just happen once. That's the problem I'm seeing.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: loam

I'm sorry, but, reading about this, I couldn't help thinking of this episode of "Cheers", Cliff's Electric Button. It may be inappropriate, or, it may add some much needed levity to the thread.






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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: Iamthatbish

Oh. Well weird. I thought they could tell with a simple blood test for everyone. Either way, hope no one tries that and gets in more trouble. Also, I'm assuming (there I go again right?) you have some medical issue and wish you the best.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

No, it's just one little isolated event right? Yet there's a new violation of our rights happening every day. All just little isolated events.

"Death by a thousand cuts..."



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: windword

Let's not go giving the girlfriend any ideas.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: loam

Its looking like the govt. has declared war. Its time to declare war back. Right between the eyes.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Dear Blackmarketeer,

Every government agency, every business, every individual makes a wrong decision pretty much every day. Our rights, as a people, weren't diminished by this incident. If it is a usual practice across a county, a state, or the country, yeah we've lost rights. But this doesn't seem to be a part of a plan.

And what kind of a plan relies on a retired judge to come out and deprive people of their rights? Now if you wanted a group with a plan to deprive Americans of their rights. . . . Forget it, this isn't a political thread.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

It really is like seeing a doctor that slipped people scripts touted as the reason our healthcare system has issues.

Often these issues go unseen until a particularly awful event takes place and really the only way to counteract this would be some machine that sees into the future.

Taking the actions of one person in a given profession and then assigning blame to everyone in that profession is ridiculous. There are lots of people working in every capacity in this country that are horrible people and unfit for service. We try to weed out the crapbricks, but they will always sneak through. Granted this does become more frightening if we're talking about a cop or doctor instead of a librarian.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

Dear Domo1,

I agree, and thanks for the new word, "Crapbricks." It sounds like the result of very severe constipation.

I feel a little worried for society in general because we are not teaching our youth basic skills, we are not teaching them morality and judgment, we are not giving them the tools for rational thought.

That's going to make the "mistakes" happen more frequently. I'm thinking particularly now about the TSA agents, their thefts, and their giggles over body scans. No one really takes responsibility for it, or for anything anymore.

We drown in bureaucratic manuals which deal well with 80% - 90% of the situations, but are destructive for the rest.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: th3dudeabides


Its looking like the govt. has declared war. Its time to declare war back. Right between the eyes.


What can that possibly mean? Do you want us to vote for the opposing party this fall? Do you want to go round tazering cops? Right between the eyes? What are you talking about?



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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This country is an absolute joke. Not much more to say.

Except people like charles up there make me sure this isn't going to get better anytime soon. Too many who will accept it.
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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:32 PM
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It doesn't matter if it was used once, or 50 times. It's a abomination of our justice system.

It doesn't matter if it is only used in one small town, population of only 60 people, or a megacity with 12 million. It's still an abomination.

A person is innocent until proven guilty. Any defendant given electrical shocks, which can cause severe pain and, in an certain cases even death if the medical history is unknown, as they are sitting in a court room has to be on the same level as placing someone on the rack and popping their sockets out until they've confessed to what ever it is you want.

This is very plain and simple: a disgrace to our justice system.

Have a known violent person, or one who is a flight risk? There are court rooms where the defendant in those cases can be contained in a cell or isolation box built into the court room. If a person can not behave themselves while in court, they can be escorted out of the court room, and you can still be tried while you are absent.

Judge does not like someone's behavior in his court room? He can have them charged with contempt, and are either fined or spend jail time for their actions.

But using electrocution on a person that is innocent until proven guilty? Excuse me? That should NEVER be acceptable to anyone, for any reason.

No matter if it happened in only one court room and only one time.

It's repugnant.

Isolated incident? Sure......okay. But if no one speaks out about it, what then? I guess that means it's accepted. And once accepted, what happens then?

It spreads.




posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful and James1982

Are you surprised to learn that I agree with you completely? I've always said the shocks were too much, I have no problem punishing the judge. I'm not familiar with how widespread those shockers are, but I can see some purpose in them if the defendant goes crazy. You certainly don't want somebody spraying bullets or mace in a crowded room.

I have no trouble with people speaking out about it. it was a failure in the system that should be repaired.

But it is not part of a conspiracy to deprive Americans of their rights until we are slaves.

Does that help clear things up between us?



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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Well if its used on the defence it must also be used on the prosecution; we can have imbalance in a court.

Its something that should not be used, there are other ways of stopping a defendant from fleeing--thats what the bailiff is meant to do.

But as mentioned he is one of "Sovereign Citizen" nut-cases, so a bit of ECT might help with his mental condition, it just should happened after sentencing.

PROTIP: Never represent yourself.


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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

I wasn't addressing you directly, but anyone that feels that what happened was okay, or something that is isolated.

There would be no need at all for gun fire in a court room. Most court rooms in the US do not allow firearms in them (even by LEO) and are instead kept in a armory elsewhere.

By having a violent offender contained in a cell or isolation chamber, they can not flee or harm anyone else. They may have to be subdued to remove them, but there are less harmful ways to do that (especially if they are cuffed and in leg shackles).

Electrical shock is NO joke. People have died from being tased. And some died hours afterwards. Shocking a human is a serious thing. It can cause sever issues with a person's heart and nervous system.

I posted in another thread a link about tasing and how it's being looked at more and more as no longer a "non-lethal" way to deal with people, due to all the injuries and deaths that have been happening.

Why should anyone be shocked like that, when they can instead be easily contained instead?

I understand you're saying that it might be needed in some cases. However, there are other ways that do not involve in inducing current into the human body that can cause severe trauma (the pain) or possible damage to the body (the heart and the nervous system).



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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I don't understand.

1 - the man was at that point innocent as he had not yet been proven guilty.

2 - he can use any legal defense he wants. That's his right.

I fail to see how even having this device on him is constitutional. Let alone SHOCKING someone because you don't like what there saying....He should have been treated like any lawyer in the court .







 
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